and isn't considered

@dh44t May I ask why not? I’m currently debating a Scala advocate who claims the lack of support for HKT in Kotlin is an important flaw relative to Scala

or an advantage

I'm a Scala developer myself

I vaguely remember reading a discussion about this topic, and if I recall one of the major issues is that Java -> Kotlin interop with higher kinded types is very difficult to handle gracefully.

it could be really complicated and hurt the compiler performance

there are several benefits of HTK, but it could mean also a very confusing code

HKT is more ammunition to shot your own foot

Thanks, appreciate the feedback.

Now if you phrased like that to an Scala advocate, he/she will answer like "I'm smart enough" or something like that

Oh, they already have 🙂

I pointed out that “people are stupid” is rarely a winning strategy in language advocacy

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What's in 1.1.2-5?

Related question, it seems all modules are not available in 1.1.2-5 right?

1.1.2-5 is being uploaded to nexus right now

will be a regular full release

are there changelogs for 1.1.2-x releases? or are those just build/package fixes?

@Ian got the same reaction from some scala folks (no higher-kinded types -> not good enough for them)

@pniederw In 32 years of programming I think I can count the number of times I’ve needed HKT on one hand, possibly on one finger. But the Scala fanboys need something to cling on to I guess 😉

creating a gradle project wth an eap version actually works!

why not just reply here if its the only message in the channel instead of in a thread

you must be new here. everything goes into a thread on the Kotlin slack regardless of whether it's the only conversation or not

😅

it was more of a subtle rant though

yes, it's super annoying. and the great irony is that we're now having a relatively off-topic conversation in the channel whereas the actual relevant conversations are happening in information silos slack threads

SlackArchive does not support threads, though.

even if it did they're awful

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I think there is a regression in Kotlin noarg plugin 1.1.3, easily reproducible, see https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/KT-18804