BTW, there's an alternative way. You can use Kotlin JVM with JVM bytecode -> JS compiler. There are few ones.

Here's an example: https://github.com/konsoletyper/teavm-flavour-examples-todomvc

@konsoletyper that is one way to do but then why kotlin? kotlin has the benefit to be directly transpiled to js plus i want to use only front-end stuff like npm & grunt without back-end build tools like maven

Kotlin is a wonderful language with clean syntax, that's why. You can use Java as well, but with Kotlin everything becomes much easier

Why do you call Maven "back-end" tool?

@orangy Awesome! I think I can use it also for NodeJS? 😄

Sure thing. But beware it’s not seriously battle-tested, we’ve only used it in couple of samples and only starting to work on integrating it with serious projects. We didn’t want to hold it to ourselves, community is really great and fast to try things and blame on us, so we can fix it faster 😄

We have to build a REST API with graphQL. The java library isn't great... So I was thinking to use Kotlin language for NodeJS. I can already hear my colleagues saying I'm insane. 🤕

I think someone at JetBrains had some experiments with GraphQL on both front and back ends, I will ask around… But not sure we can OSS it right away.

Ok, I will wait from you then 😄

Because it was designed to be used with Java. And Java is a backend language (server-side). Not counting GWT obviously...

Ah, these stereotypes! Java is a general-purpose programming language, as well as JavaScript. And Maven is a general-purpose build tool

These are not stereotypes, this is state of the tooling there. How good is maven doing npm/webpack/etc interop?

Tell people who use Node.js that they should not build server-side apps in client-side language

With GWT you don't need npm and webpack. Also, my example uses npm without any problems

But we are talking Kotlin here, not GWT.

So what?

“So what” is not an argument in a discussion.

"But we are taking Kotlin" is not an argument as well

It is, because original poster said:

i wanted to check how to work with kotlin on the front-end side

Ok, my example shows that you can use Kotlin on the front-end side using GWT-like approach

I fail to see how TeaVM that you are promoting is GWT-like approach.

guys, don’t worry

i’ve achieved what i wanted

thing is, i stumbled upon teavm previously i didn’t work with it and should probably check it at some point my idea was just to use kotlin to javascript using kotlinc-js

Please don't fight ❤️

tolko prosto & pryamo 🙂

Yeah, don’t worry either 🙂 That’s our normal positional conflict between “there is a way I know and it solves it” vs “people are different and they might have different needs”. Having a heated discussions in the team doesn’t mean there is a problem, it’s the other way around – more opinions mean wider field of view!

i always forgot that russian are like french regarding debate "conflict is healthy” 🙂

It’s not personal conflict, it’s positional conflict. Different people take different positions, some like 🍺 some like 🍷 🙂