kotlinlang #kobweb

set the channel description: Kobweb is an opinionated Kotlin framework for creating websites and web apps, built on top of Compose for Web and inspired by Next.js and Chakra UI. See project at https://github.com/varabyte/kobweb

David Herman

02/25/2023, 4:34 AM

set the channel description: An opinionated Kotlin framework to make it easier to create websites and web apps, built on top of Compose for Web. Project: https://github.com/varabyte/kobweb Intro blog post: https://bitspittle.dev/blog/2022/kotlinsite

David Herman

02/25/2023, 4:35 AM

set the channel description: A framework to make it easier to create full stack websites and web apps, built on top of Compose for Web. Project: https://github.com/varabyte/kobweb Intro blog post: https://bitspittle.dev/blog/2022/kotlinsite

David Herman

02/25/2023, 4:36 AM

set the channel description: A framework to make it easier to create full stack websites and web apps, built on top of Compose for Web. Project: https://github.com/varabyte/kobweb

David Herman

02/25/2023, 4:36 AM

set the channel description: A framework for full stack websites and web apps, built upon Compose for Web. Project: https://github.com/varabyte/kobweb

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:06 PM

Welcome, good to see you here Sebastien 🙂

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:11 PM

Welcome Filip, thanks for coming by 🙂

Filip Wiesner

02/27/2023, 6:12 PM

Hi 👋 I joined your Discord yesterday so I am glad I can have everything in one place now 😄

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:13 PM

Yeah, we'll see how that goes. Definitely the Discord will still be good for a while because there's a few people in there who know the APIs well at this point, and it covers all time zones 🙂

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:13 PM

Whereas here it's currently just me and I sleep a lot 😄

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:15 PM

But definitely happy to answer questions when I'm around. Also curious to hear what people think about Kobweb, even if they try it and bounce off of it because it isn't what they expected or something they want isn't done yet.

Filip Wiesner

02/27/2023, 6:15 PM

it's currently just me and I sleep a lot

I can wait for a good answer/input 😉

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:20 PM

Are you using Kobweb already? Or still just checking it out?

Filip Wiesner

02/27/2023, 6:20 PM

curious to hear what people think about Kobweb

Well, so far I haven't tried it out properly. I've been struggling whole day yesterday with deploying to Railway. After few hours I gave up, exported locally and used Surge. I would certainly appreciate some documentation about exporting/deploying a Kobweb site. I am still not sure what all the export parameters do or what the

includeServer

option does.

Filip Wiesner

02/27/2023, 6:21 PM

To be honest I am still lost because I am Android dev trying out web for the first time properly 😄

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:21 PM

Sure, I'm focusing on documentation now. It will probably start coming out in a few weeks.

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:22 PM

Note that when I started Kobweb, I designed it as a full stack solution, which it can be, but most users who joined wanted static layouts, so I've been focusing on that.

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:22 PM

I wrote a post about it: https://bitspittle.dev/blog/2022/staticdeploy

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:23 PM

For a while I ran my own server using Google Cloud Run, but I found it expensive even when no one visited the site (~$15 / month). I've since moved to static hosting myself with Firebase and I get charged like 20c a month or so

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:24 PM

The

includeServer

option basically adds a JVM project to your Kobweb application module. See the

examples/todo

example to see it working.

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:25 PM

If you're using static hosting though you don't need it.

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:25 PM

(AFK for a bit, wife is asking for some help)

Filip Wiesner

02/27/2023, 6:30 PM

I think I've just jumped straight into it expecting it to be really easy. I have some experience with static sites using React.js but that's it. So when I've tried Kobweb I immediately hit brick wall of technologies I don't know 😄 I'll read your article and come back with questions

Filip Wiesner

02/27/2023, 6:33 PM

But to give you some idea about my current hobby project. I have monorepo with backend written in Ktor, Android app, iOS app, one module shared across all platforms and one module shared for frontend. So I hope Kobweb will fill the "web frontend" part nicely.

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:34 PM

Yeah, I definitely want to add codelabs to introduce the concepts of Kobweb incrementally.

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:36 PM

Kobweb is a small crutch I think for Android devs, thanks to its own Modifier class and a few other classes copied over (kind of) from Jetpack Compose, but ultimately the developer still needs to learn JavaScript and CSS APIs.

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:37 PM

Note that the blog article linked to above refers to https://bitspittle.dev/blog/2022/kotlinsite which could be a good skim.

Filip Wiesner

02/27/2023, 6:39 PM

I've come to terms with using CSS but I hope I won't have to touch JavaScript a lot 😅 Thanks for the articles 👍

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:40 PM

Ah, no JS. You are always writing Kotlin. But the Kotlin is often a thin layer over JS code.

David Herman

02/27/2023, 6:41 PM

(This isn't Kobweb, btw, but Kotlin/JS itself. For example, you read https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Window/location but use https://kotlinlang.org/api/latest/jvm/stdlib/org.w3c.dom/-window/location.html)