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mg6maciej
02/08/2017, 12:13 PMAre there stable bindings for JVM or did you write LLVM IR generation too? (Assuming "high-level IR" is not LLVM IR - cause it's not high ;)) - d
dmitry.petrov
02/08/2017, 12:13 PM"High-level IR" here stands for Kotlin-specific HLIR. That is, basically, a resolved and desugared AST. - m
mg6maciej
02/08/2017, 12:22 PMIs the compiler still working on top of JVM or do you have enough code there so the compiler can compile itself natively? 🙂 - d
dmitry.petrov
02/08/2017, 12:23 PMYes, the compiler is working on top of JVM - d
dmitry.petrov
02/08/2017, 12:23 PM(... looking for an answer about LLVM bindings ...) - m
mg6maciej
02/08/2017, 12:24 PMI found this: https://github.com/rwl/llvm-j/tree/master/src/main/java/org/llvm, but I doubt you would use it instead of writing them from scratch. - m
mg6maciej
02/08/2017, 12:25 PMLLVM repo contains Go, OCaml and Python bindings. - d
dmitry.petrov
02/08/2017, 12:28 PM... looks like the answer is "our own" 🙂😎 2 - m
mg6maciej
02/08/2017, 12:38 PMSorry for being so curious, but does Kotlin have JNI support or the lowest layer of bindings is simply Java? - d
dmitry.petrov
02/08/2017, 12:42 PMKotlin Native has its own native interop. - d
dmitry.petrov
02/08/2017, 12:43 PMSupposed to be more usable than JNI - d
dmitry.petrov
02/08/2017, 12:43 PMInterop between Kotlin/JVM and Kotlin Native is somewhere in the plans, too - n
nimtiazm
02/08/2017, 1:37 PMsuch an interop (if it’s better than JNI/FFE) would attribute to the benefit of using kotlin across the JVM and system.🔥 2 - n
nimtiazm
02/08/2017, 1:37 PM*FFI - s
sreich
02/08/2017, 5:35 PMNice, all sounds very very promising - s
sksk
03/01/2017, 12:56 AMfound this on forums that details what could be their plan https://gist.github.com/abreslav/217e1f960b52c8b77bebf58ed1ab299b😛 2 - s
sksk
03/01/2017, 12:57 AMthey seems to focus on embedded and iOS, but since it's based on LLVM it can target everything else no, even without official support? - s
sksk
03/01/2017, 12:58 AMi'm hopping to make desktop games with the help of SFML (c binding) - g
gildor
03/01/2017, 1:02 AM@sksk Looks like you just found a draft of vacancy description for kotlin-native team 😄 - s
sksk
03/01/2017, 1:04 AMleaks are awesome they increase the hype 😄 - s
sdeleuze
03/01/2017, 12:28 PMAfter discussing with Mozilla folks and reading this awesome blog post serie https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/02/where-is-webassembly-now-and-whats-next/ it seems WebAssembly MVP is about to be enabled by default on 4 major browsers, and that these post MVP features will be available likely before the end of the year : - s
sdeleuze
03/01/2017, 12:29 PM- Exception handling - Builtin GC - Direct access to DOM and Web API - s
sdeleuze
03/01/2017, 12:30 PMI guess it would be a better option to leverage WebAssembly builtin GC rather than bundling Kotlin Native one with each app. - s
sdeleuze
03/01/2017, 12:32 PMDo you know if Kotlin native could be use to generate WebAssembly while leveraging WebAssembly GC ? - s
sdeleuze
03/01/2017, 12:34 PMAnd is it based on LLVM in a mandatory way or could we imagine generating directly WebAssembly ? (I guess there is some pros and cons for both options) - o
olonho
03/01/2017, 12:39 PMI would imagine that some parts of Kotlin Native source code could be reused for WebAssembly codegeneration, but would not be so sure that JetBrains itself will invest efforts into such a project. - o
olonho
03/01/2017, 12:40 PMAnd BTW, hopefully there will be some very early technology preview of Kotlin Native in the end of this month😱 6👏 10K 7🎉 7 - s
sdeleuze
03/01/2017, 12:46 PMI hope JetBrains will move effort from Javascript support to WebAssembly support, for middle/long term WebAssembly support will just replace this "compile to crappy JS" trend that we have seen for years.👍 6 - d
dmitry.petrov
03/01/2017, 1:01 PMWe have some long-term plans for WebAssembly BE (as well as for Jack BE for Android). No ETA.👍 6 - s
sdeleuze
03/01/2017, 1:01 PMNice to know thanks