kotlinlang #random

I just did extensive research on lappys and ordered a new one yesterday. I'm using new MBP at work and absolutely hate it. Final three for my research were Dell XPS , Lenovo T470s & Lenovo X1 Carbon

xantier

08/15/2017, 9:50 AM

Lenovo's build quality on those corporate Thinkpads are top notch so I went with one of those

anthonyandroid

08/15/2017, 9:50 AM

Do we have anything similar to https://swiftweekly.github.io/ ? focus on the change of the language itself, and can see the consideration behide

orangy

08/15/2017, 5:17 PM

What’s current modern way to make a fat-jar, jar-jar, shadow-jar with gradle? That is, a single jar with all the dependencies and manifest?

michaelrocks

08/15/2017, 5:52 PM

@orangy This plugin works well for me https://github.com/johnrengelman/shadow

codeslubber

08/15/2017, 6:00 PM

@gildor do you have the KL one? or the one from last NOv?

codeslubber

08/15/2017, 6:06 PM

@voddan you probably know you can still get a 15 that does not have the touchbar…

karelpeeters

08/15/2017, 8:13 PM

I want to transfer my old settings to the new version.

Dmitry Kandalov

08/16/2017, 7:57 AM

When I change maven/gradle config file, there is popup notification which suggests to “import settings”. Is there a way to navigate to the popup and “click” the link from keyboard (i.e. without mouse/trackpad)?

pniederw

08/17/2017, 6:43 AM

I wonder why intellij’s java class icons don’t convey whether a class is public or package-private. seems more important than most other information (final, abstract, etc.)

codeslubber

08/18/2017, 4:48 PM

as someone who complained a lot about the speed of the Scala compiler in the past, to me that’s a solved problem, I do not think it’s particularly slow anymore.. combination of ScalaTest and 2.12.3 is pretty fast..

roberto.guerra

08/18/2017, 4:59 PM

<rant> Do not force a public API to authenticate via OAuth. It forces the client to boot up an http server even if the API is not used for a web app. #notEverythingIsAWebApp </rant>

orangy

08/18/2017, 7:17 PM

Did anyone watch it? https://twitter.com/DZone/status/898621653818654720

napperley

08/19/2017, 6:44 AM

Must be seeing things that aren't really there. Can spot what appears to be the Kotlin logo :kotlin: in this video 😆 :

https://youtu.be/WI-nTf5iM84?t=349▾

orangy

08/19/2017, 12:40 PM

Request on meta.stackexchange.com was posted: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/299920/support-kotlin-in-code-highlighting

:kotlin-flag: 1

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cketti

08/19/2017, 4:00 PM

is anyone else having trouble logging into youtrack? i'm redirected to the login page with the additional query parameter

developer_message=java.lang.String%20cannot%20be%20cast%20to%20jetbrains.exodus.bindings.ComparableSet

orangy

08/19/2017, 11:23 PM

(inspired by thousand’s question about Rx and Kotlin)

trevjones

08/20/2017, 6:20 PM

Is there any further information published on how to use the log config dialog? I am trying to enable verbose logging so I can track down an issue with the android studio / gradle integration. I have a custom test task that can not be run via ide gradle run config and the only output I get is

Error:Failed to complete Gradle execution. Cause: unknown.

michaelzinn

08/21/2017, 9:58 AM

The return type “Nothing” should be called “Mu” instead.

alouanemed

08/22/2017, 5:51 PM

Hey everyone, can someone tell me where can i find RxJava slack ? I have a question and need help with something related to Single

Paul Woitaschek

08/22/2017, 7:47 PM

Are these oatmeal cookies? @thyberg

elect

08/22/2017, 8:07 PM

has anybody ever got problems importing a

set

operator of a

MutableMap

kirillrakhman

08/25/2017, 3:10 PM

(I would argue the only answer to php questions is "kill it with fire", but that's just my opinion)

➕ 7

☝️ 3

elect

08/26/2017, 10:28 AM

I'll try

tapchicoma

08/28/2017, 10:01 AM

there is https://kibotu.github.io/java-is-like-kotlin/, but it is incomplete

Loránd

08/28/2017, 11:03 AM

Just a question, in terms of class design is it wrong to pass down member variables to private class methods instead of using the member directly in the method?

private void foo(Object obj){
obj.doSomething();
}
vs
private void foo(){
mObj.doSomething();
}

I am just looking for some thoughts.

enighma

08/29/2017, 6:09 AM

Must say that the kotlinconf lineup is pretty awesome https://kotlinconf.com/speakers

➕ 5

:kotlin: 3

orangy

08/29/2017, 7:38 AM

Random security question. Form “I forgot my password” (properly) shows this after submit:

If there is an account associated with <your email> you will receive an email with a link to reset your password.

This doesn’t give potential attacker any information if the address is registered or not. But what would be a proper error message for when you register new account and email is already there?

Title

orangy

08/29/2017, 7:38 AM

Random security question. Form “I forgot my password” (properly) shows this after submit:

If there is an account associated with <your email> you will receive an email with a link to reset your password.

This doesn’t give potential attacker any information if the address is registered or not. But what would be a proper error message for when you register new account and email is already there?

karelpeeters

08/29/2017, 7:41 AM

Relevant stackexchange: https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/40694/disclose-to-user-if-account-exists

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lovis

08/29/2017, 7:43 AM

I think I once read an article (or a book? 🤔 )that UX beats “Security” in this case. I see if I can find it

takes the same line as “visible password by default”

karelpeeters

08/29/2017, 7:46 AM

Visible password by default? What?

lovis

08/29/2017, 7:48 AM

https://www.nngroup.com/articles/stop-password-masking/

it’s like 99% of the time nobody is actually watching you while you enter your password

karelpeeters

08/29/2017, 7:50 AM

Right and so that 1% you forget to check it... I honestly hoped that article was satire.

I'm all in favour of providing the option to show it, but not by default.

lovis

08/29/2017, 7:51 AM

the article is a little old, and the conclusion is not taking mobile into consideration (where you are being watched all the time). for desktop I agree. however typing a password is on mobile is so damn awkward, that I always enable the “see pasword” option

karelpeeters

08/29/2017, 7:52 AM

Hmm

Password masking has proven to be a particularly nasty usability problem in our testing of mobile devices, where typing is difficult and typos are common. But the problem exists for desktop users as well.

lovis

08/29/2017, 7:52 AM

woops

karelpeeters

08/29/2017, 7:52 AM

You usually get to see the last typed character for a bit, right?

lovis

08/29/2017, 7:53 AM

yeah, but I don’t type the pw letter by letter.

Anyway, I would definitely not start criticizing the results of their usability studies. the conclusion is obviously up for discussion

@karelpeeters btw I found that:

>> Offer the option of showing passwords in clear. However, unmasking does not need to be the default for login. Although we advocated for this practice for a long time, only recently sites and apps have started adopting it, and some users can feel unsecure when seeing the password characters in clear. That is why, at this stage, we recommend masking the password by default and presenting users with a Show password checkbox that allows them to unmask it.

now we’re both happy 😉

karelpeeters

08/29/2017, 8:05 AM

Right that's a good middle ground ☺️

orangy

08/29/2017, 8:36 AM

Or just use 1password with touchID auth 🙂

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evanchooly

08/29/2017, 8:37 AM

or lastpass, yeah. i never type my passwords in anymore. i don't even know most of them.

karelpeeters

08/29/2017, 8:37 AM

That's another password manager? Is it better than Lastpass?

evanchooly

08/29/2017, 8:38 AM

1password is pretty nice. their windows client sucked last time I used it.

tipsy

08/29/2017, 8:54 AM

@lovis it’s like 99% of the time nobody is actually watching you while you enter your password

if you don't mask, some mobile keyboards will store and predict your password

lovis

08/29/2017, 8:58 AM

don’t know about iOS, but for android the inputType for the TextView is called

textVisiblePassword

nothing will be stored/predicted (actually, that’s the only thing that works for all manufacturers! 🙄 )

tipsy

08/29/2017, 9:05 AM

i meant for

<input>

elements, the article seemed to be discussing web rather than native

when it comes to native i have no clue

lovis

08/29/2017, 9:06 AM

you’re right

bamdmux

08/29/2017, 9:07 AM

Well, both in native or through the webview, a malicious keyboard app can store your password or anything you type

Changing the input type can't prevent that

the input type is only giving hints to the keyboard of how they should work, not storing it, or showing just numbers

but if the keyboard wants to store/log/process your input, its gonna do it anyway

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tipsy

08/29/2017, 9:11 AM

sure, but the non-malicious ones won't know that it's a password unless you use the correct type.. so in general i think it's a very bad idea to not mask passwords

bamdmux

08/29/2017, 9:11 AM

That among other things is why now I cant live with a phone witouth a good fingerprint reader

@tipsy Sure, allthough I dont think any keyboard should store what I type by default regardles of where Im typing

karelpeeters

08/29/2017, 9:18 AM

That allows it to give better suggestions in the future and to suggest typo fixes.

bamdmux

08/29/2017, 9:19 AM

Yeah I know, but when I add the word to the dictionary manually, not by default

Im not saying a keyboard shouldnt process the input, im talking about storing what I type

Like that story about swiftkey suggesting the bank password to someone who was typing an email or something 😄

I know the bank should have tagged the password input, but its still annoying

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