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    cedric

    01/05/2016, 10:07 PM
    On top of that, Martin spends most of his time on dotty anyway
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    iamsteveholmes

    01/05/2016, 10:12 PM
    Actually I haven't yet learned to hate implicits (although they are apparently a nightmare for the compiler) but operator overloading is just awful
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    iamsteveholmes

    01/05/2016, 10:13 PM
    Frankly I'm very glad Kotlin is launching with a limited feature set. Let the ideas bake for a while until you understand all the ins and outs
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    cedric

    01/05/2016, 10:14 PM
    To be fair, that’s probably how Scala started ten years ago. This is not what makes or breaks a product: the vision of the team is.
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    iamsteveholmes

    01/05/2016, 10:14 PM
    To be fair, Groovy has done a pretty good job simplifying, but it comes at a cost, they have had like 4 self described paradigm shifts in their meta-programming model
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    cedric

    01/05/2016, 10:15 PM
    Scala was always an academic experiment but over the past years, it was forcefully and slowly cast as a potential Java successor. The duality of the goals completely broke it apart.
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    cedric

    01/05/2016, 10:15 PM
    Oh hey @pascalpoizat
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    natpryce

    01/05/2016, 10:48 PM
    as an ex academic, Scala looks like a whole bunch of academic experiments done in the same codebase over the years by MSc and PhD students, and later post-rationalised as an industrial language
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    natpryce

    01/05/2016, 10:49 PM
    What stands out is that some language features (operator precedence and associativity) are not quite thought through, others (inline XML) were in direct opposition to Scala's goal to be a “SCAlable LAnguage"
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    natpryce

    01/05/2016, 10:50 PM
    But Odersky’s explanation of his vision of Scala’s modularity mechanisms and how they relate to ML’s functors is really interesting
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    cedric

    01/05/2016, 10:51 PM
    @natpryce: Totally agree with the academic point
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    natpryce

    01/05/2016, 10:51 PM
    so hopefully Dotty will bring that to the fore, and a focus on conceptual integrity will sweep away some of the cruft that has accumulated over the years
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    cedric

    01/05/2016, 10:51 PM
    It’s a research experiment that accidentally escaped the lab
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    natpryce

    01/05/2016, 10:52 PM
    Some of Scala (e.g. the collections API) reminds me of the excesses of baroque C++ template meta-programming I did when an academic research fellow simple smile
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    rattleshirt

    12/06/2016, 1:24 PM
    You can have multiple build configs under one project.
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    y2k_

    12/06/2016, 3:03 PM
    IntelliJ IDEA is very powerful IDE... but… what if I wants try something else? For example Atom. I installed plugins: https://atom.io/packages/language-kotlin and https://atom.io/packages/build-gradle but it's very hard to use it without auto-imports. Is there something else that can help? Maybe someone works on tools like OmniSharp (for Kotlin).
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    janvladimirmostert

    12/06/2016, 4:14 PM
    @rattleshirt Thanks!
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    dh44t

    12/07/2016, 2:21 AM
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    kirillrakhman

    12/07/2016, 2:51 PM
    anyone else had the problem that log4j2 will use the 
    Logger#info(java.lang.Object)
    overload instead of 
    Logger#info(org.apache.logging.log4j.util.Supplier<?>)
    when calling with a lambda?
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    kirillrakhman

    12/07/2016, 2:52 PM
    the obvious workaround is using 
    <http://logger.info|logger.info>(Supplier { "foo" })
    but shouldn't SAM conversion take precedence in overload resolution?
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    miha-x64

    12/07/2016, 2:54 PM
    lambda is 
    ActionX
    by default 😐
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    kirillrakhman

    12/07/2016, 2:54 PM
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    kirillrakhman

    12/07/2016, 3:06 PM
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    kirillrakhman

    12/07/2016, 3:06 PM
    that's what I call perfect timing
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    kirillrakhman

    12/07/2016, 4:14 PM
    Java 10 shapes up to be really nice http://blog.codefx.org/java/dev/future-java-might-look-like/ too bad it's so far off
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    dalexander

    12/07/2016, 4:15 PM
    2022 if we’re lucky?
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    kirillrakhman

    12/07/2016, 4:15 PM
    😞
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    kevinmost

    12/07/2016, 4:24 PM
    Anyone else going to the Kotlin meetup tonight in NYC?
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    evanchooly

    12/07/2016, 4:42 PM
    i am!
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    kenneth_ford

    12/07/2016, 4:44 PM
    I’ll be there
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