I don't see why. 2 hours is not reasonable in some situations and some issues could be quickly resolved by another user who already knows. I for one would be glad to offer help in many cases.

Does anyone see a reason to look at using Flutter (for the UI) and Kotlin (for the Business Logic via multiplatform project) in the same application? Or is it more of one or the other depending on your use case?

Its such a shame google would go "Use kotlin on android" then make a prime UI framework that isn't in Kotlin. Its like the left hand doesnt know what the right hand does

Agreed. To be fair Kotlin/Native wasn't that far a long when Flutter was first introduced, right?

Native doesn't have much to do with it

Fair enough. Anyway, was curious if it was worth looking into... I will stick with Anko for now.

Google is not monolithic. A lot of teams there with different needs and different plans.

Flutter is experiment of Dart team to build mobile framework that works on iOS and Android, and pretty successful experiment

@gildor I don't see any evidence of success for Flutter. It's only used internally at Google and, by an odd coincidence, Dart was recently listed as one of the worst five languages not to learn in 2018 🙂

(or is it one of the top 5 languages not to learn? Darn double negatives)

@cedric I mean pretty successful in terms of technology itself. Works pretty fast, pleasant API and one of good options to write cross-platfrom UI for mobile. Not sure about adoption, but looks that Google start advertise it (blog posts, video etc)

I know it’s totally unrelated but an interesting thing I found out about Flutter was that it was conceptualized by a team of game devs within Google. The project might have some interesting implementations for handling UI and graphics?

haven’t looked into it though.

so my manager stumbled on flutter today and is really fired up about us using and for me I don't see flutter as a good fit when it comes to complicated interfaces or what do you think @cedric

Your manager doesn't seem qualified to make this kind of decision

Personally, I think both Flutter and Dart will be abandoned within two years (Flutter probably earlier)

I had the same assumption, besides call me old school but i still prefer xml then my kotlin code. If i had to use declarative ui i would just settle for anko layouts

They're complementary, but that's a separate discussion. Why is your manager so excited about Flutter?

Maybe because “Oh, now we can have one team for two mobile apps” %)

If that's really the reason, then that manager is indeed not qualified to make that decision

my team missed deadline and for some reason he feels a framework that he knows nothing about can solve a bad time estimation from an overly large scope given by management

we just develop on android funny enough

Dart is not terrible though, it's in fact much nicer than working with JavaScript Had they gone for strong typing with type inference (instead of this bizarre Optional Typing), they could have done something much nicer with the language, but that seems to be the roadmap for Dart 2.0 which should be soon. Also considering it's #22 on the TIOBE index, it's not doing too bad

only smartest people

depends if america is using it to write election software 🧌

is it indeed down for me or very very slow

Does anyone also find this weird?

val timestamp = Timestamp.from(Instant.EPOCH)
println(Instant.EPOCH)  // 1970-01-01T00:00:00Z
println(timestamp)      // 1969-12-31 19:00:00.0

Why is

Timestamp.from

messing around with time zones? It's a TIMESTAMP