Not to mention the Go team thought they were gonna become the standard language on android Then android picked kotlin Then the flutter team picked dart

Don't get me wrong, dart solves google problems because it looks like java.

Thats why they wrote Go, it looks like C.

But as far as adoption which is what makes or breaks a language? Its not doing so grand. Mozilla saw to that

I don’t think Dart solves any Google problem, certainly not to the extent that, say, Go has

Apparently large chunks of the AdWords platform is now written in Dart

Yes that’s what all Dart advocates claim to say that Dart is used

Looking at the reasoning for Dart, Kotlin could easily fit that list

Typescript too, which is probably the main reason why Dart is seeing no adoption

There is little to nothing that disappoints me about kt these days. So long as the team don't go overboard in the next two years or so its going to be a solid language with a good future

I think it’s going to be solid regardless of how you or I feel about it 🙂

That doesn't mean we arn't allowed opinions 🙂

Thing I am most excited for is kotlinx.coroutines and then a full documented extensive stdlib

Is there a room for kscript question?

I think the master plan for dart/flutter is to have one google controlled language/framework to target android, ios, and fuchsia. if successful, this could solve the bootstrapping problem for fuchsia (existing flutter apps will run on fuchsia or will be easy to port).

Problem only with existing flutter apps 🧌

Anyone who thinks that vastly underestimates the weight that the JVM carries today

@gildor will probably take a few years until fuchsia is ready

@cedric you mean it’s too heavy-weight?

No sorry

I mean it's too influential

not sure about that.

It’s really hard to move away from JVM. I think this is the point of Cedric

for a new mobile app? why is that?

And even harder to move to Dart, that not really popular technology and change not only language, but whole technology stack

That's one point. There's also the fact that Android on Java is very strong and getting stronger with Kotlin. A solution that wants to displace has a very, very high bar to clear

Revolutions don't happen unless people are massed at the gates.

The mood on Android is pretty good these days and I guarantee you that to most Android developers, Dart feels like a huge step back

not sure there needs to be one absolute winner. I’d rather write one app in dart than one in kotlin and another in swift.