I used Logo at about 10 years old and it was great for a first discovery of 2D positioning.

They still teach kids QBasic here...

Just don't make the mistake of teaching kids Javascript.

it is the worst possible choice.

You have good pointers on Processing?

That’s a pretty strong opinion, care to elaborate?

It is a remarkably flawed language with a horrible ecosystem, and bad design choices. It leads to a very specific brand of cargo cult programming where people copy paste stackoverflow or default to jquery for every problem and the runtime environments are weird.

https://processing.org/tutorials/ and http://processingjs.org/learning/ and https://www.amazon.com/Processing-Programming-Handbook-Designers-Artists/dp/026202828X

What about PHP? 😀

@jkbbwr: Wouldn't be my first choice but Javascript is really not too bad for beginners, it has plenty of great properties

I think PHP is possibly one of the best languages to learn programming. I read http://tut.php-quake.net/en/ maybe around 2004.

PHP isn't a programming language.

Although, I like Javascript because it's where I first discovered first class functions

Its a jumped up templating framework

Some of the advantages of Javascript for beginners: 1) Very good tool ecosystem. You have a browser, you have a debugger and a runtime. 2) Instant gratification. Run the code, see web pages change under your eyes 3) No need to introduce concepts like classes or other advanced stuff, you can make it very procedural, like BASIC

Its a terrible tool ecosystem.

What's terrible about it?

It's a great ecosystem for beginner but terrible for advanced work.

Ruby is also a nice language (when you like syntax sugar and meta-programming). I suggest to read Why the lucky stiff's book on Ruby and eat chunky bacon.

I wonder how it might be to start teaching a child from a functional perspective rather than the imperative one

right on

well when you start writing fortran let me know 😉

My dad used to do that and it seemed ...fun

hahaha

How I can get some Kotlin stickers?

For me and colleagues MacBooks

The Kotlin api docs look awful on mobile

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