Indeed. But to cast Spring Boot as “pretty much your only choice” — surely you had to expect someone was gonna call you on your hyperbole 🙂

You missed "something extensive"

I disagree completely, but whatever. Arguing about it is pointless.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Who has the time, anyway? Now i have to go build a time machine and remind my past self to not build anything extensive yet because Spring Boot isn’t out… 😛

You started talking about the past, I was talking about the present 🙂

Ahh, you’re right. All the previous tools don’t work now.

If you are going for lightweight framework Sparkjava could also be added to that list

Maybe you could point out what you dislike about Spring Boot instead of the pointless bickering?

i only dislike your assumption that it's the only real choice

that doesn't necessarily indicate fault in the thing itself

You’re the one who claimed it’s the only viable choice for nontrivial projects.

That’s a bold assertion to make with decades of counter evidence against you

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, etc

Do you know any substitutes for Spring Security?

You could just say “I overstated my case” and move on, or keep digging the hole deeper. Either way, I’m going to go make breakfast now.

I absolutely did, it was an exaggeration. I apologize.

No worries. 🙂 🥘 !

Spring is the "kitchen sink" of frameworks 🙂 @amanda.hinchman-dominguez you might also look at http4k...I was impressed w/ the selection of good modules that you could easily hook into it. Or Vert.x if you want a smaller kitchen sink which performs really well (near the top of most of the techempower frameworks) but it's much less of a standard in the US where it's usually Spring for large companies and Dropwizard for smaller ones that use Java...

Choose Vert.x if you don't mind the cesspool (Eclipse Foundation) behind it.

i find vert.x very awkard as a http server

my last two projects were just undertow fatjars

i also think a good kotlin server framework should embrace coroutines so i will look at ktor for my next project

vert.x Isn't too bad, it also has some support for Coroutines, and with the additional layer I made myself, it's pretty comfy... especially if you need the microservices infrastructure. But I am slowly going on to Ktor for being so light-weight...

I want do to redis pub/sub for a low-volume use case with just a handful clients.. any kotlin-specific library known or code base using redis in a kotlin-esque way, even with coroutines perhaps? Or just use jedis?

Seems like people are moving to lettuce from jedis .. maybe due to reactive async support?

(at least spring boot is making lettuce the default)

yeah Jedis hasn't had a release in close to 2 years and the main dev hasn't been active for a long time as well. I've used both Lettuce and Redisson with Kotlin and they both work fine (they obviously don't support coroutines though).

i would try #general instead

Hi! I need to expose some endpoints and do some get/put/delete requests to another service, which is the simplest framework that gets the job done?