Kara is great, try to understand me correctly. Now i want to represent Kotlin to my team

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@qwert_ukg it’s ok, I’m just trying to understand what do you have in mind, so I can help you best.

i have an experience in MVC.NET

It really depends on what tasks do you need to solve.

@qwert_ukg I would suggest to introduce Kotlin gradually, for example to make some smaller service (API) in Kotlin

in this case requirements could change and you would not need full-fledged framework to replace Symfony/Laravel

and I guess Kara is nearly dead project, because commits are quite rare lately so I wouldn't invest much time in learning it

Well, rare commits can also mean it’s perfect 🙂

sure 😄

But indeed, I’m focusing on #ktor these days. We are still running Kara apps at JetBrains, and maintaining and improving when it is needed.

our company has many projects in a different langs/frameworks (Java/Spring php/laravel, C#/MVC.NET+Entity, RoR, Jungo) and its hard to maintain it from day to day. And i thought maybe Kotlin can solve it. maybe i can find some framework (or aggregate it from different repos) like laravel or spring, in Kotlin

"maybe Kotlin can solve it"

what do you mean? 🙂

You can continue with Spring in Kotlin, check #spring

hard maintenance can be related not to language , but framework or how project is developed.. maybe you have lots of unmaintainable code which is universal I would say, and in this case language does not help

@akoncius forgot to add. now bosses want move some project to another lang, and remove so many langs from company

and i guessit will be java - so, i should show them Kotlin for web

ok

I think you will face resistance here - language is too young to go "all in" for a company so I would suggest to direct people at least to java

and later you will be able to introduce kotlin when it is a good fit

and java->kotlin transition would be easiest I would say

(compared to let's say .NET -> Kotlin or PHP->Kotlin)

but coming back to topic as far as I understand, Kotlin doesn't have full-fledged framework written on Kotlin

but there are many topics where people are using Spring-Boot on kotlin

i see, thank u so much

so you would have best of both worlds - Kotlin as language , and Spring as mature framework

Spring (or Spring boot) is already mature, tested framework so you would have one less problem

i like Kara features - its looks good for web dev

yeah