a maven / gradle alternative?

@ron Yes its an alternative, were the build config is written in kotlin. http://beust.com/kobalt/home/index.html

hmmz you can now do that in gradle too 🙂

That's right, but Cedric started this project pretty early in the life of Kotlin. I think he has discovered that build systems are far from trivial to write and maintain, and I bet he learned a lot from it.

Guys, I really need to figure out if I can make JavaOne and KotlinConf this year. I need to create a 60 minute presentation, but I have no prior experience in how to structure something like this, so I need some help. I have to prioritize this now to see if I can make it 🙂

@ron the most recent taking Kotlin podcast interviews someone working on the kotlin gradle integration if you're interested

@edvin there are couple of ways you can approach it. 60 minutes is not a long time so rather than being a workshop it may be a showcase of what TornadoFX can do. I would treat the audience like work colleagues you are trying sell TornadoFX to for adoption...

I think the JavaOne sessions are only 45 mins even.

KotlinConf is 60.

@thomasnield That sounds like a good plan. First an introduction, and then some code samples/walk through. I don't know if I would do live coding at my first event, I might be too nervous.

I think you should be able to use the same material for both. Many people use slides at these things ive noticed which is fine. I'd show a TableView builder to get their attention. Then you can show Components and DI, a few more builders, the wizard, and a slide showing a large list of other conveniences....

I think you can do it all with slides. Maybe at the end you can show an application you made beforehand

@thomasnield @edvin Maybe constrain the presentation to the Type Safe Builders, Type Safe CSS, and Layout Debugger. Reference Components and back-end logic to hint at the big picture. Focus on the UI because the audience probably isn't going to be up-to-speed with Kotlin, so you'd need to digress into the handler syntax, etc

This just became real.. 🃏 😳

I can agree with @carlw on that

@edvin it did, carpe diem.

Youve worked this hard and TornadoFX really blew up with adoption. The talk still needs to be approved of course but i think this has a great shot. You can pass by the form answers to us if you like before you submit

@edvin Do you want to put an outline in the channel files for review?

Yeah, I will. I will start working on it this weekend, I'm swamped at work today and tomorrow.

@edvin ill be online this weekend if you want any help too

On the positive side, I think you have a topic that sells itself. Not everyone will be into Java desktop (not because of TornadoFX), but there may be a fair number of Swing developers who are really interested in what the future holds. They'll be anxious to understand.

@thomasnield Thank you, I'll need help for sure 🙂

I agree, the topic sells itself, I just need to provide some meaningful content 🙂

I think it's going to be harder to keep it under the time limit.

Yeah, probably 🙂

There is so much to talk about!

This is just my preference, but I'm not really into live coding. I'd rather see a large slide that blows up a line of code. The recent JavaOne stuff I've seen along those lines spends 5 minutes tweaking the IDE font.

@edvin this will be pretty easy. Some slides that show how little boilerplate it takes to do stuff. The goal is to get people to leave the session and say "wow i need to learn how to use TornadoFX". They are not going to learn it there.

Hehe, agreed. But I think the format, if done well, is very interesting.

@thomasnield That's an important tip, I needed that. I need to focus on selling it, not on teaching it then and there.