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chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:03 PMA rich Desktop client has become a hard sell these days, but - some would call me a luddite - I still have a very soft spot for them. Given we have a cleanly layered Android project, I can see an opportunity to ' take the top off' and replace it with Java/TornadoFX.👍 1 - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:04 PMI fancy putting one together and showing them it could be done. - m
mikehearn
05/10/2017, 12:04 PMlots of people have that soft spot. one day we'll get our revenge 🙂👍 4 - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:04 PMThe potential user base, I feel, could be open to it, too, I can't say what, but it's a fairly solid, small to mid-sized business Application. - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:05 PMI'd like to play my part in that revenge by getting one out there and getting it used 🙂 - m
mikehearn
05/10/2017, 12:07 PMthere are a few areas where focus is needed. deployment is one. there aren't any truly great deployment systems out there that are competitive with HTML right now, I think. - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:07 PMI'd do it just to see the horror and dismay on the web teams faces. - m
mikehearn
05/10/2017, 12:07 PMFXLauncher helps. It probably needs work to make it more mature though. - m
mikehearn
05/10/2017, 12:07 PMwe also need more modern/attractive/less desktopy CSS than Modena👍 2 - m
mikehearn
05/10/2017, 12:08 PMone big weakness that many non-JNLP solutions have is inability to update the JRE itself.\ - m
mikehearn
05/10/2017, 12:08 PMi did a framework called UpdateFX which was quite nice but, it couldn't update the runtime. - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:09 PMHmm, updates are quite important, I suppose going through the Windows/App/Ubuntu 'stores' will end up being a lot more bespoke. - m
mikehearn
05/10/2017, 12:10 PMthe right way to go long term IMO is to try and popularise an "app browser" type concept. - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:10 PMFirst stop, regular installer I suppose, dog food it, get it in front of a small customer group and see if it's worth pursuing the rest. - m
mikehearn
05/10/2017, 12:10 PMwith people able to bind their app to a build of the app browser so the first install is the same as for a regular app👍 1 - m
mikehearn
05/10/2017, 12:10 PMyeah - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:12 PMIts such a shame Java in the browser screwed up the first time around, the dream was pure... even if the execution was sorely lacking. Whoever knew that people would get tired of 'security by popup'? - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:13 PMIt could have been a glorious binary web where jar dependencies and functionality flow like content between decentralised browser nodes. - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:13 PMMaybe somewhere out there, in the stars.. it is... - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:13 PMwipes tear - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:16 PMRight, back to creating an inconspicuously named branch. - m
mikehearn
05/10/2017, 12:18 PMright. but .... all is not lost. there's always a chance to try again and do it better. - m
mikehearn
05/10/2017, 12:18 PMthis time java is open source and web dev has dug itself a rather huge hole. lots of discontent ui devs out there. - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:20 PMYes, the discontent with JavaScript does seem to finally be reaching critical mass. - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:21 PMI don't think it'll be a JVM this time, but WebAssembly offers hope. - m
mikehearn
05/10/2017, 12:21 PMWebAssembly is similar-ish to a JVM, but running inside the browser sandbox - m
mikehearn
05/10/2017, 12:22 PMand without the libraries. for c/c++ - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:22 PMBoth as a way to escape the JS language, and a slightly lower level of integration with a browser VM, which could lead to newer interfaces. - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:22 PMYes. - c
chris-hatton
05/10/2017, 12:22 PMIt feels like there will be an opportunity to re-play the concept.