My book Learning RxJava is now out. Hope you don't mind I put you in the acknowledgments @edvin

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@edvin Thank's for updating the guide 😉

@thomasnield Awesome, I hope to find some time soon to read your book 😉

@thomasnield Thank you for those kind words. Humble 🙂 I really value your friendship and involvement in all things Kotlin 🎉

I've promised myself that I should learn Rx for a long time, and there seem to be no better time than now. Just ordered the book 🙂

I'm slightly biased of course...

People aren't looking for JavaFX developers like they are looking for JavaScript developers, but Java developers need to create tools for their organization all the time. JavaFX is a great way to build the front end for those tools, even if JavaFX isn't listed as a job requirement.

Yeah same in our company, all our new products and internal tools are now written in JavaFx but we don't specifically hire JavaFx devs...

And I started to migrate some internal tools to tornadoFx to hopefully convince our head of development to use it for our other products 😉

But I probably have to convince them first to use kotlin 😉

I think the story is the same all over. Also, you don't hear so much about JavaFX apps because they are often internal to an organization, or they are actually trying to hide the fact that it's written in Java. We do that with many of our tools, like the DynDNS tool which installs as a normal native app but is packaged with FXLauncher and JavaPackager under the covers.

I think the best example is IntelliJ a lot of people didn't know that it was written in Java

In Norway, Java on the client has a bad reputation mostly because the banks used to require applet support to log in, and they all did a lousy job of the user experience. People started thinking of the requirement for and the update of Java on the desktop as a ball and chain handed to them by the banks.

Because a lot of people think java desktop apps have to look ugly and be slow...

Yeah.. People tend to believe they are slow, even in 2017. It's crazy.

It wouldn't hurt to have complete css "frameworks" for JavaFX.

Yeah I get the impression that JavaFX is a silent skill in the labor market. People just "do it" and don't formally acknowledge it at the organizational level. Even more, most devs using JavaFX are heavy consumers on the open-source front I've noticed. They don't contribute or even file issues that often. The activity around TornadoFX and ControlsFX alone though indicates there is sizable usage.

Also, here are one of the few real-world examples of a large corporation pulling back the curtain on how its using JavaFX

We do JavaFX projects like this at Southwest, but we are pretty secretive about it like most companies.

A lot of these apps are not consumer apps, so it is hard to be public about them

@roberto.guerra well said.

Kotlin being a new technology, and TornadoFX likewise.. even we attract a fair amount of attention. Another thing to consider is that JavaFX isn't evolving very rapidly, so people developing JavaFX apps don't need to ask questions to figure out how to do stuff. It's all documented or asked and answered. JavaFX is also a subset of Java, so if you ask for a Java developer, you might be requiring JavaFX knowledge, but you don't mention all the classes of the JDK in the job description.

yeah, I used to write lots of Swing apps before moving to web development. Most of what I needed to do were in one or two swing books and the javadocs.

It isn’t a moving target the way the web is.

Exactly.

@edvin that's actually a good point, despite the intersect of those two niches, there is a sizable group of users using Kotlin with JavaFX. Business desktop applications are not sexy and fashionable, but they stick around forever and will outlive several generations of JavaScript flavors and frameworks.

Yes, absolutely. Innovation and business value is generated in the backend, but often visualized or even realized in the frontend. Frontend isn't that exciting, and is taken for granted, but for the people writing and maintaining a UI, JavaFX has huge advantages over JS/web, especially considering the state of js web frameworks these days.