@edvin I guess I need javajx

the documentation is nice, but I guess I could not find my stuff there

Catching up. Will try the keyboard later @edvin

@claudiug make sure you know the difference between start() and onShown() because sometime you have to wait for all the screen geometry to be available

This has a tornadofx parallel to init() and onDock()

@carlw is this on the tornadofx doc, or in javafx doc?

The javafx concept is to understand the timing of the scene graph. The window which has the final say about things like dimensions is available after it is shown rather than created

Everything carries over into tornadofx

@carlw so I need to know some basic on javafx. I do try this, as in our team we would like to build a GUI app for win/mac for our clients, and I need to test more libraries before show it to my colleges. And kotlin and tornadofx looks nice, but I have the feeling that I need to know some javafx to get more speed. Or I dont understand stuff and I'm an idiot 😞

Keep posting code. I put pure javafx code on the channel sometimes as a cross reference

@claudiug, not an idiot, just not informed yet. I still struggle with the same stuff myself, having only just started with both TornadoFX and JavaFX. @carlw, where is there a good overview of these concepts used in JavaFX to help us come up to speed?

At the javaone talk @edvin hammered the point home that you can always "get at" javafx. That is unlike Oracle JET tornadofx doesn't try to control every access to the underlying layer

@carlw there is any kind of kotlin full desktop app tutorial. not the guide?

In the guide are all the information that I need, but I need more somehow a practice example how to connect the dots. I guess here I dont have the aha moment, and I just feel that I just read some book with no finish line 😞

and sorry to be maybe somehow negativist towards documentation

@melston These are two sites that I maintain and participate in: https://courses.bekwam.net/public_tutorials/ and https://fxdocs.github.io/docs/index.html.

@melston I also refer a lot to "Pro JavaFX 2: A Definitive Guide to Rich Clients". It has some great Binding examples. The book has been updated to "Pro JavaFX 8: A Definitive Guide to Building Desktop, Mobile, and Embedded Java Clients" but the old one still works in a lot of cases for me.

I met the author, James Weaver, who said that TornadoFX reminded him of the early "fun" days of JavaFX that used a rapid scripting language (which has since been removed).

@edvin So here is the code snippet I hope you are getting home safe 😉

@claudiug will post a tornadofx version in a minute. looking for a USB micro for my tornado keyboard

@carlw thx

@carlw uploaded a file:

@carlw I will send you the original hand rest soon!

Just came in the door, 28h is too much. Good night guys!

@claudiug the promised tornadofx version

Is there a back story to the tornado keyboard? I feel like I must be missing something. #super #duper

@carlw, thanks for the links. I will check them out. I will also look up the book.

@Carlton Whitehead https://kotlinlang.slack.com/archives/C136UUPE1/p1506422164000117

@Carlton Whitehead when I joined the channel, i told edvin about the mechanical keyboards i had and the small keypads i built and he got a few for himself. he built the one that's pictured and gave it to me at javaone.

Thanks for the link @carlw. @edvin were you using that one while you were making the tornadofx videos?