I agree with @carlw but it definitely sounds interesting

Just looked into the code a bit looks like the also use Skins for the displaying part of the control and JSON instead of CSS for styling

@edvin @carlw @nimakro another thing I wonder is how feature complete is javafx?

@ron Did you mean Pivot?

no, I actually meant javafx. how feature complete is javafx?

@ron We know that, don't we? It's pretty feature complete for business applications, but the biggest problem is the lack of innovation or even bugfixes happening.

so if javafx development from richmond stops the community could do at least the bugfixing in openjfx?

No, because that would entail running a custom JDK.

"Write once, run in a few custom places"

Happy new year.... I hope we will have a very productive year together .. to make TornadoFX even better

Happy new year guys

@edvin honestly I think ANY efforts to get off JavaFX should pivot towards Kotlin Native. Perhaps we can generate a header file off a C library like nuklear for starts. I am convinced Kotlin Native is going to be the future, and JetBrains is pretty gung ho about that too. Any JVM efforts should likely focus on JavaFX, whether it's maintained or not by Oracle. Any new efforts should be to move away from the JVM.

@ron I think Rx can fill the observable void yes, just like it has on Android.

And if I can be blunt, if Oracle is being squirrely it's all the more reason to move away from the JVM. We really never know what Oracle will do next, but we seem to align with JetBrains consistently.

Happy New year

I don't think the jvm will die off too many companies use it. And by abandoning the jvm you lose a large and vibrant ecosystem around it

@ron definitely not saying to abandon JVM, you're right. Just saying any effort to replace JavaFX should not be on the JVM. I need JavaFX for the next several years. I don't think we are getting rid of it no matter what Oracle does.

these days, we need a JVM more than ever. whether Oracle-controlled or something else. Lots of different devices all with significant computing power need to be normalized.

@carlw have you looked at Kotlin Native yet?

I am definitely not saying to abandon JVM, not even JavafX for that matter (sorry if I came across saying that, had a few drinks). But I think it would be a good idea to look beyond the JVM for the long term. Realistically no matter what we go with, JavaFX is going to be difficult to match no matter what we go with. If we try to create an alternative to it, I think we should go big.

And a lot of companies are using JavaFX. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but i have a hard time thinking it will stop being used just because Oracle stops developing it.

Time will tell which direction we can take, depending on how Kotlin Native and cross platform UI toolkits develop 🙂 For now we'll continue to innovate and stabilize within the confines of JavaFX and the JVM 🙂 Applications are about a lot more than the UI toolkit as Ron pointed out, so skipping the JVM would mean a different target audience. A reboot might even have a higher level api and target different toolkits, like Nukler AND JavaFX for example. Many options. On the horizon first is Java 9 support though.

@edvin okay that makes sense. I'm going to redeem my CLion coupon in the next week and I'll start poking around with nuklear. I doubt we will have anything super useful until Kotlin Native hits 1.0 and a mature ecosystem develops. I do agree that we should stay vested in the JVM. I can't see myself migrating off it for the foreseeable future. But for the very long term, I'd really like to see TornadoFX do something with Kotlin Native.

@thomasnield I agree, and making TornadoFX even more cross platform in the future would be a pretty huge thing!

Today I'm making a TornadoFX app to parse Turning Tool ISO Codes into an understandable description, with text and graphics 🙂 Will be a fun little project, with a very narrow scope. If it ends up having any valuable UI tricks this might be the basis for my first blog post or video of the year.

@edvin you’ll do the one for this week?

@carlw I can do week 2 if you're ready with the first installment of your shape-ui thing? 🙂

Do you care for the “tornadofxtuesday” hashtag or is it too cheesy?

@carlw Let's hold on with the tag for a little while and see when it fits best to release those videos perhaps?

Np