I am currently thinking quite hard what we are actually testing, It does not feel like a unit test, but I would like to think about testing a single view, (assuming that a application is comprised of several views that can react to action that happen (usually through a controller))

@ron As I said, I didn't care about what I tested, only that the approach to mocking controllers was sound. It would be good with some actual tests though.

the reason I started all this, is to find out what are good ways to test the UI and as a side effect think about the division between ui code and business code

@ron I think TestFX has most of the stuff needed to test UI interaction like clicking buttons, checking that certain elements contain certain text after an action etc.

true, but like you said we need some stubs and then I will make some tests that look decent and go into the guide

as an example on how it could be done

Very good. I'm one screencast behind, but I would like to get one out there talking about this approach, even if it's early.

@edvin uploaded a file:

This one first, though 🙂

I suck at naming stuff 😎

I think that for the guide I would like three use cases:

1) entering valid data in a textfield

2) pressing a button

3) checking the content of a tableview or listview

We can do that. Let's create an example with mocked controllers to supply the data as well. But first some sleep 🙂

Good night!

night

@edvin I like "binding" or "data-binding" secrets.

Alright @edvin you know what to do https://twitter.com/kotlinconf/status/953981521790107648

Laten we gaan !!! 🇳🇱

@carlw Sweet, I'll update 🙂

I can show you around Amsterdam

😉

I love that it's in Amsterdam, that's like a bus ride from here compared to SF 🙂

take the bike?

I've been there a couple of times before, love the city and the atmosphere. This will be fun. I'm also going to JavaZone this year, actually as a sponsor, but I might submit a talk as well.

I think apart from Den Bosch (my birth town) Amsterdam is one of the most beautiful cities I know

Huh.. After I got my new phone, twitter notifications have been turned off. I had 98 notifications it seems 🙂 😁

@ron I'd agree with that. As far as cities go, it's indeed beautiful.

@edvin In the guide where you talk about table editing with dirty tracking, how would you go about setting the enabled state on the commit and rollback buttons based on the dirtyness of anything in the table?