I've seen a few successful UI testing systems like Silk Test, Automate 9 (?), and TestComplete.

i'm actually fighting with some unit tests and Docker. i'm tempted to rip them out as they've never caught a bug but have been really disruptive and breaking

@carlw the struggle is real when it comes to verifying UI behaviour isn't it 😞

i do the wafer thin approach and catch as much with easy-to-test backend stuff

my suggestion about the separate systems that act like a person in front of a computer are good for a lot of repetitive tasks. convenient to say lookup 1000 accounts through the UI

less so for a workflow that's going to traipse through a bunch of different navigation

in personal projects I've had tests that go through happy paths (scooping through some recoverable unhappy paths) going through certain user journeys then I've had more intensive screen specific tests to try and help me drive out functionality through test with catching regressions just being a happy side effect

but that's from an android POV, I'm starting to figure out just how unintuitive that is with other frameworks

i think there's some people who swear by TestFX on the channel, but on the teams that i've worked, I've found UI unit tests to be a drag on the project

it's tough for me to sell to my clients especially when they start breaking and other devs start complaining

it feels like one of those problems where you have to accept a particular flavour of wrong

it breaks my heart when I get spurious failures

I should feel the pain though to get an appreciation of it! I'l look into testfx

Guys, I'm confused with JavaFX in the way it is bundled. JavaFX from 1.0 up to 2.2 were as separate installations, right? JavaFX 8 to 11 are bundled into Oracle JRE/JDK, but with OpenJDK it is still not bundled -- there's OpenJDK that comes separately, why?

8 to 10 it's bundled

11 is the first non-bundled

i'm not sure why it isn't in OpenJDK 8.

Also, 2.2 was in Java 7 but just not "hooked up". The JARs were in there but you had to move them to ext/ or make a direct reference to them

An OpenJDK from Azul and building your own OpenJFX seems workable for 8

with 11, you might find someone like gluon that packages them together

Aha, got it. So JavaFX 11 is just like OpenJFX, right? AFAIK, Oracle opens sources of JFX

Don't forget about modules. JavaFX 8 is a single jar (jfxrt.jar), >9 there are multiple JARs

I'm still working with Java 8 (OpenJDK) -- didn't know about Java 9 and higher tricks

IBM's J9 JVM seems to be Java 8 version, but I can't find whether it includes JFX or not

are there any good examples of TreeTableView or even TreeView that are more complex than the examples? Particularly handling up updating new nodes, dropped nodes, and node updates?

@Spike Baylor do you mean something like passing an

ObservableList

to a

TreeView

?

possibly, but lets say i have a business model around that models companies. at the top is root, it has many companies. companies can have departments or people (like CEO) directly under it. Departments can have other departments under them or people.

I want a tableview to update when data from a single changes: without having to reload the whole item (let alone all items) How do I do that?

@iari As long as you use observable properties in your domain objects, it will update automatically

I am using an ObservableList of Objects that have observable properties - but it does not seem to update, when i just change the properties