@Spike Baylor I would highly recommend it! I've made so many friends in tech this way. Meetup is also a great app to help you keep track of multiple events for tech (or anything else) in your area.

Actually, @carlw was the one that recommended I reach out to Orlando JUG! Best decision I made. I now hang out with Chicago KUG (and I intend on making it to JUG as well! Todd Ginsberg is admin for that and he also is a Kotlin-er)

@amanda.hinchman-dominguez 2nd best decision. First one was joining the TornadoFX Slack!

ohhhhhhhhhh @carlw that's a good call out. You're absolutely right on that!

The project i've been working on at home the past month or so is in the grand scheme of things not a sexy or "fun" project... its even work related.... it was just an idea i had while also thinking i should try to learn Kotlin. But the combined nature of using Kotlin and TornadoFX has made working on it absolutely a lot of fun for some reason.

I got started with Kotlin because of TornadoFX! I love how easy it is to spin up something immediately, and the learning curve is pretty short.

I now do Android development in Kotlin, and it's crazy to see how understanding native desktop development really prepared me for handling the Android OS

this is the best channel on the slack imho

@Spike Baylor I ended up using TornadoFX because I didn't want to do needless/repetitive tasks. It might have been part of my job to translate languages for libraries, but it was not my job to copy/paste for 4 hours at a time

native desktop development is on the rise, and there's been a lot more hum about it in science/tech and even enterprise (if they hadn't been already)

I've spent the last 13 years or so working on a set of systems that are primarily Swing 😢 so i'm also new to JavaFX.. and JavaFX is a good portion of why its great, but maaaan Looking at native JavaFX compared to doing it in TornadoFX 😄 My job lately has been moving more and more to web apps with web front ends with not real thought to whether that even makese sense :X ... the services back end does, but a lot of times the web front end doesn't. So my personal project at home to satisfy my curiosity was to make some small footprint (which is the real driving force for the web front ends to begin with) desktop apps that would use the backend services.

you're in the right place! There's a very small project that @carlw and @Ruckus did in regards to asynctasks, but that's one of my favorite micro examples for backend services.

To be fair, @carlw did it. I just made it darker.

^that's the one. Strange, I had a local copy but was having a tough time finding it on github. @Spike Baylor Still, I think that's one of the best examples for the absolute bare minimum you need for server/client work

nice, thats a fun example 🙂 I'll look into the code later. Right now my app reads a multicast stream and updates data on the GUI. which involves a map and things moving around so quite fun at least. Eventually though, i'll move from the multcast stream to talking to a backend service. Ktor is next on the list of things to learn and play with.

ohhh that's one I want to learn. I think @Hamza is planning on doing a Kotlin Thursday on Ktor!

Spring is impressive from my little bit of use... it also feels like a black box full of magic... which i'm not fond of. What i've read about Ktor sounds WAY more my style.

Spring is great for large-scale applications, but there's a lot of bloat I'm not a fan of

work is almost over.. excited to go home and work on some fancy ass menu navigation and animations for fun!

If only there was like, 6 more hours in a day 😞 there's so much to learn and sleeping is getting in the way of everything

screw sleeping ^^

@edvin What is your position on the use of experimental features from Kotlin (1.3) in TornadoFX?

For example, would it be acceptable to create an annotation like:

@Experimental
annotation class ExperimentalCommands

and annotate the

Command

class with it, instead of having a warning being printed when the class is used, as it does now? See: https://kotlinlang.org/api/latest/jvm/stdlib/kotlin/-experimental/index.html

@Spike Baylor I might have misread, although TornadoFX does have its own drawer - it looks like you're looking for a better explanation for editing models/validation/databinding?

Does anyone know when a release of OpenJFX 12 is scheduled?

It will be released close to Java 12

so that's March 2019

I sometimes run into trouble with Kotlins order of value assignment upon object construction

hi here. I'm slowly migrating my personal projects from java8/kotlin1.2 to gradle5/java11/kotlin1.3 and so far almost no problems, all tornado apps work almost without modifications (I just needed to drop some com.sun.* classes, the usual) Any particular Tornado features that I might find not working anymore?