Let's say you have a Customer POJO with a name: String field and you want to use this as an observable value. You can then write:

val name = customer.observable("name")

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@edvin thanks! I was just looking at it and really liked what I saw.

I also think gluon mobile might be worth a try. Then you basically program JavaFX and don't need to adapt especially for Android/iOS 🙂

@edvin: Do you know how the speed compares? I haven't looked at gluon in a while, and last I remember it was taking upwards of 5-10 seconds to launch a simple app on android.

I imagine this is one of the many reasons for the upcoming GluonVM

@thomasnield: There is also an #C0C7SMTU6 channel

The launch time will always be a bit higher, but it was quite fast the last time I tried it. Also the UI widget performance was good enough for a business type app.

Yeah, GluonVM will be very interesting!

Java9 on iOS 🙂

Good to know

That will be pretty sweet

I wonder how JavaFX focused GluonVM will be, or how well it will handle generic Java9.

I thought it would include a pretty complete JVM.. 🙂

I believe you are right. There isn't even a mention of JavaFX on the GluonVM page

Granted, there isn't a whole lot there period 🙂

Is the iOS section based on RoboVM? If not, it could be a sweet replacement for libGDX's mobile backend.

Right now it is based on RoboVM, but it will use GluonVM instead when it's complete I think. RoboVM is dead 😞

Yeah, but I thought the libGDX team didn't like Mobile OpenJDK 9 (which GluonVM uses)

I haven't looked at libGDX because it seemed like they care about gaming, which is not my thing 🙂

Fair enough. I got game development certification, so I used to follow it pretty closely, but it's been a while.

Cool 🙂

It was fun, but ultimately not super useful 🙂

That's the thing.. I feel that the time I put into TornadoFX I actually get back when using it, so it's completely different 🙂 Gaming.. not so much.

I completely agree

Making games is actually a lot of fun, but I hardly play them (including the ones I make), so the return just wasn't there.

Plus, I'm not an artist by a long shot, so my games make Minecraft look like an exquisite work of art 🙂

Anyway, back to Gluon, how much do you have to specialize for mobile vs. desktop? Can you make a program that runs on both with little conversion?

Would you recommend it, or would it be better to stick with Anko and have desktop apps totally separate?

Nah, you'd write one UI for desktop and another for mobile, no matter the framework. But with gluon mobile at least you can write just one app for mobile, not two (iOS/Android).

For desktop -> TornadoFX 🙂