@Ruckus Some times it helps to go back and forth a little to be able to consider all angles 🙂 Now I understand it better at least 🙂

@edvin I'm not sure about that. I'd have to mess with it. The reference doesn't say.

Would be interesting to know how it works. We could ask Jonathan if we can't figure it out 🙂

@carlw Yes, but there aren't different JavaFX "browsers", so the guide tells you to start with modena (since it's always loaded) and change from there.

@edvin Fair point

@carlw I see where you're going, I just feel like whining about it 🙂

@Ruckus yeah but i was just running caspian a few months ago with Java 7...don't know if a new one is coming with 9

A reset could be nice, but it should be up to the user to use. Not included by default in TornadoFX

@carlw I'm pretty sure we'd have heard about that. It is a pretty giant undertaking to create a new style for JavaFX 🙂

I'm thinking a ResetsCSS.kt that clears out all the elements and lets you build from scratch

@carlw Jonathan started talking about modena almost a year before it was officially releases, so I think it's safe to say there won't be a new one in 9.

That would be quite the undertaking.

@Ruckus That's good. it was a pain to support java 7 and 8 from a styles perspective

@ron Almost 1.7 million euro today 🙂

Overall, I really like modena as a starting point. There's just a few rough corners here and there that I don't like, so a full reset might be a bit far, since modena is almost 3500 lines long.

yeah incredible isnt

That's a lot to do "from scratch" for a single application

That's amazing

And his target was 100?

its gonna reach at least 2M

a 100euro

I agree. Modena still looks pretty good today.

I still would love a material design style

Oh yes... one done right, by utilizing

-fx-skin

to skin the components, instead of requiring custom components like JFoenix does.

yup

@ron With how many times different organizations have started and never finished a material design style for JavaFX, I get the feeling it's quite hard to do. But I would love one as well.

I dont think custom components isnt very maintainable

@ron If you require custom components you can't just apply a stylesheet to an application and change the look. It would require code changes. And the way skins are done in JavaFX makes them very powerful. You can add code, animations etc. No need to subclass each component for almost all use cases.

With a lot of the skins being made public (and hopefully cleaned up a bit) for JavaFX 9, that might be a little easier to do soon.

Absolutely.. Maybe we'll try this some day 🙂