<@U0B8ZP13Q> its not about java. it never was. its...
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@cedric its not about java. it never was. its about "batteries included" frameworks. spring comes close.. really close. but you have to give people a framework which sets people down a predictable (though opinionated path). when everyday is a hackathons and ur shipping code every few hours (like startups).. you just want to have everything included and not having to spend time figuring libraries out. thats what these frameworks are giving you.