Hi All, Im just starting to take a quick look at Kobweb and was wondering how long should it take f...

# kobweb

[Kev Thompson]

Hi All, Im just starting to take a quick look at Kobweb and was wondering how long should it take for the kobweb server to start up?

[David Herman]

I saw you saw it took 7 minutes. This is using render with docker?

[Kev Thompson]

Nope, Im just starting an empty project following the Stevdza-San tutorial from last April, starting the server from IntelliJ IDE terminal.

[David Herman]

Ah first time can take a while based on download times and initial compilation. Subsequent ribs should be much faster.

[Kev Thompson]

OK cool. thanks. I'll keep an eye on it. if there were downloads going on then that does explain things.

[David Herman]

You can press Q and then rerun `kobweb run| right now to see how long things take in the best case

[Kev Thompson]

almost instant that time. maybe a second at most.

Thanks

[David Herman]

Great! Normally a compile can take about 5-7 seconds or so. It's not instant but it has been workable for me at least.

[Kev Thompson]

Right now we're just trying to evaluate some options. we're an app team ( Android and IOS ) that have been asked to look at creating a web experience along with our app so hitting a few frameworks to see what works best for us. Compose mutiplatform seemed ideal but very early. so Kobweb using a compose like UI feels like it could be a good bet.

[David Herman]

Glad you're evaluating! I want everyone to find the best tools for their job. Feel free to share thoughts here or in a new thread (or even ping me directly) even if (or especially if) you decide not to use it.

[David Herman]

In case you missed it from a few weeks ago, you may want to also read this: https://bitspittle.dev/blog/2024/c4w

[Kev Thompson]

Thanks will do and will take a look.

[Kev Thompson]

@David Herman, We decided to pass on Kobweb this time around, infact we decided against any Kotlin based solution in favour of Maui and Blazor.

Out of the frameworks we looked at Kobweb was certainly the standout for me and I will be looking to keep using it for any personal projects and keeping an eye on it.

Our main concerns were lack of documentation and the fact that its not at a stable 1.0 yet. the project we are looking at working on could be many millions of MAU so felt it was a bit to risky to consider an non release framework. which is a bracket most Kotlin web solutions fall into.

[Robert Jaros]

Magic of numbers 😉

[David Herman]

Thank you @Kev Thompson for taking the time to write up this update, and for considering Kobweb. I think your reasoning is sound. Before Kotlin was a thing, C# was my favorite memory-managed language. I'm sure having the full weight of MS support behind your framework is a huge advantage.

I hear you about documentation. It is currently a top priority for us at the moment, although I'm assuming your team wants more than just "moving the README over to a docs site". Still, that should be a lot better than the current situation for new users.

After docs, we are going to focus on filling out our widget set, and then knocking out all the remaining CSS properties that need Kotlin API bindings. It's a lot of work ahead, but at the same time, hopefully it's the home stretch at this point for getting to 1.0 🤞 (Just a really, really, really long stretch)

If you do indeed stick around and use Kobweb for your personal projects, we will always welcome more feedback like this. Really appreciate it!