I'm making a prediction that Kotlin 1.4 will be re...
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Dominaezzz
10/09/2019, 6:38 PMI'm making a prediction that Kotlin 1.4 will be released on 17th of March 2020. I'm leaving this here as proof. 🙂
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Ruckus
10/09/2019, 6:41 PMInteresting, I'm curious to know what you have based this prediction on.
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Dominaezzz
10/09/2019, 6:45 PMI pretty much extrapolated based on previous releases, how long it'll take to implement what I think will be released in 1.4 and added some padding in some places. I just did some napkin maths. Not hoping to be correct (earlier is better lol) but just curious as to how close I'll be to the actual release.
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Ruckus
10/09/2019, 6:45 PMAlright, cool. Too bad slack doesn't let you add a reminder that far out.
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hallvard
10/09/2019, 6:49 PMIsn't there usually a release very shortly after the kotlinconf? (Or is 3 months the usual delay? It might just be me not realizing how much time actually flies inbetween there ...)
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Dominaezzz
10/09/2019, 6:52 PMIn a podcast/interview, Andrey Breslav says not to expect 1.4 for the next KotlinConf. So I've accounted for that.
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hallvard
10/09/2019, 6:55 PMOh, So this is quite scientific after all, then. Let's all just wait for St.Paddy's then.
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Nikky
10/09/2019, 9:41 PMstarred to find this next year.. or on the 1.4 release
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Fudge
10/09/2019, 10:43 PMWhat do you think will be implemented in Kotlin 1.4? Originally I thought Keep87 but now I don’t think the priority on that is too high.
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Dominaezzz
10/09/2019, 10:52 PMIR and the multi-platform story that comes with it. Inline classes stabilisation. All the kotlinx io stuff we've been waiting for (Although this isn't strictly related to 1.4).
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tapchicoma
10/10/2019, 10:17 AMimho kotlin-native goes stable
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msink
10/10/2019, 11:36 AMVersion every two months - 1.3.60 in October, 1.3.70 in December, 1.3.80 in February, 1.3.90 in March... overflow, 1.4.0 in May.
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tapchicoma
10/10/2019, 11:36 AMwhy not 1.3.100? 😏
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Dominaezzz
10/10/2019, 11:56 AMI was assuming 1.3.60 will be the last one but now I think 1.3.70 might be last. Since 1.2.70 was the last one for 1.2 (Although 1.1.60 was the last one for 1.1). Predicting the future is tricky business. In the end, it's a slightly educated guess.
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Fudge
10/10/2019, 12:08 PMIf .60 was the last for 1.1, and .70 was the last for 1.2, then obviously .80 will be the last for 1.3. Predicting the future is not that hard.
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Dominaezzz
10/10/2019, 12:17 PMThat was my first instinct but there are no signs of a dev release of 1.3.80 and target versions in YouTrack stop at 1.3.70 then continue at 1.4. 🤷🏼
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Nikky
10/10/2019, 1:41 PMso .90 for 1.4 and what for 1.6 ? .100 ? that will make sorting versions a pain
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Ruckus
10/10/2019, 1:44 PMNo, that would be for 1.5. 1.6 would be .110. Personally, I can't wait for version 1.95.1000.
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Fudge
10/10/2019, 1:45 PM😠 3
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kqr
10/10/2019, 3:35 PMSerge Bureau? (https://dzone.com/users/1140703/scalaserge.html?sort=comments)
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poohbar
10/11/2019, 1:59 PMWhat is your prediction on when is a usable Kotlin IDE going to be released?
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Ruckus
10/11/2019, 2:04 PMIs IDEA not usable?
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poohbar
10/11/2019, 2:06 PMIt's not.
poohbar
10/11/2019, 2:07 PMNot if you accept 2 minute delay on code-highlighting and other huge performance issues caused by Kotlin compiler being too complicated.
poohbar
10/11/2019, 2:08 PM<https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/KT-32158><https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-222885><https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/KT-32437><https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/KT-30726>poohbar
10/11/2019, 2:08 PMBrought to you by "language designed with tooling in mind".
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Ruckus
10/11/2019, 2:15 PMFair point. I'm missing the nuance of your last comment. Did you mean to insinuate that Kotlin is not living up to the claim of being "designed with tooling in mind", or that designing a language with tooling in mind is itself a bad idea?
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poohbar
10/11/2019, 2:19 PMGood question. I am honestly not well versed in writing IDEs so I am not sure what the problem is. Kotlin seems to have a lot of bells and whistles that make the IDE experience even "smarter" but maybe it causes the performance to suffer.
Maybe there is just too much inference, too many hints for the IDE to handle in timely fashion?
In any case, the bottom line is that I love the language and I am devastated that I have to start converting parts of our project back to Java solely because of the IDE performance.
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Ruckus
10/11/2019, 2:41 PMIndeed. Thanks for sharing. Personally I'm hoping the usage of IDEA improves instead of getting a whole new IDE.
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james
10/14/2019, 10:34 PMconverting your project back to java because of IDE performance of 2019.2 is an incredibly melodramatic approach.
why not:
1) use a version < 2019.2; or
2) try 2019.3 EAP, which reportedly fixes the issue you're having
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Fudge
10/14/2019, 10:51 PMThe IDEA version has nothing to do with kotlin editor performance
Fudge
10/14/2019, 10:52 PMIf it were up to me, I would put improving the performance at the top priority, with nothing else coming close
Fudge
10/14/2019, 10:54 PMActually, he is referring to problems that also exist in Java... I haven’t had any performance problems there
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darkmoon_uk
02/15/2020, 10:44 PM@Dominaezzz 1 month to go 😄 ⏳
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Dominaezzz
02/15/2020, 11:11 PMHa! Yeah. (I didn't include
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