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b
I've stumbled upon an old kotlin channel on gitter recently and couldn't help but wonder why you've moved away from it to slack? Gitter messages seem to be google'able in addition to being open for all. Just curious is all. Would help a ton in persisting valuable information exchanged here.
n
Isn't gitter kind of just dead
I was in one for a while for something rather specific, probably 2-3 years, and in that time I barely saw anything else that was primarily on github
Sorry, primarily on gitter I meant
b
I don't think gitter is dead, it is now interfaced with Matrix as well.
b
If you meant kotlin gitter chat then yes, definitely. Gitter itself is thriving
Would be good if moderators could at least add element bridge slack app to approved apps so we could connect it to element client along other open source communities
b
(I meant gitter the platform)
maybe they never thought about that, you should contact them
n
No, I meant gitter the platform as well
I dunno, every single programming community I'm part of, and every one I hear about from someone, it's always been either slack or discord. just my experience.
b
@hhariri @orangy are the current owners of this slack
@Nir my experience is wider, there are still a lot on IRC, some on element/matrix…
n
IRC! Now that's a name I haven't heard... in a long time...
b
I guess we all have different bubbles we are living in
n
most likely
b
IRC in my world is still really active
n
would be interesting to see some real metrics
what world is that?
b
linux distributions is one
I heard the python community is still pretty active on IRC as well, but I've not been there recently
fdroid, fosdem, haskell, ipfs all have >1000 users on freenode
(the list is >20 channels long)
b
My main concern with this slack is that it's not google'able and not fully open (you need to request for an invite to get in). Gitter seems to be able to solve both. There might be other alternatives as well, it's just the first one I've found that's indexed by search engines
b
so no its not dead because you don't see it 😉
n
yeah I'd expect IRC to be big in linux
python, discord and slack are pretty big
b
I tend to prefer discord, mainly because all the communities are on the same "screen"
n
the python discord for example has 30K people just presently online. the slack is like 7K. I guess I'd be curious to know how big the IRC is, and perhaps whether there are more experts there
b
the python freenode channel is 1540 people
so that's much smaller than discord or slack
n
yeah, so pretty small still. but perhaps it is more weighted towards experts, hard to say. the discord and slack are pretty beginner oriented overall, IMHO
b
that was my feeling in some communities as well.
I wish I could talk to myself when I started Kotlin 😉
n
hah
b
really most of my trouble was not Kotlin but Gradle
n
gradle was annoying. but I also found the slack kinda hostile, i knew a fair number of other languages before kotlin and I had many "why doesn't kotlin support X", or "what am I supposed to do if I need X", and people get very defensive
Coming from python or C++ slacks where people are pretty pragmatic and will just say "yeah, that's not a strong point of the language, would be nice to have that, just need to live with whatever workaround" and so on
b
@hhariri @orangy, any thoughts on this? The initial message, not the separate discussion that came out of it 😀
o
Gitter was created later than this Slack by people completely unrelated to Kotlin team. Also there were many limitations at that time, like single channel for example (not sure how is it today).
b
Oh, looked quite official 😀 any plans to re-evaluate it?
Would solve one of the main pitfalls of slack of messages being lost to general public and search engines
o
No such plans, as far as I know
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