We started weekly Kotlin discussions in my company...

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[nkiesel]

We started weekly Kotlin discussions in my company. This often involves playing around with some code. What tools are you guys using for this? Options I'm aware of are
• screen sharing - does not allow for multiple people to edit
• Intellj "code with me" - heavy (e.g. requires install) and seems to loose synchronized view once in a while
• codebunk - interview tool, does not support latest Kotlin
What I really would like would be a collaborative mode in "play.kotlinlang.org" but that does not seem to exist. Any other suggestions?

[nanodeath]

doesn't IntelliJ have a new "Code with Me" plugin? https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/code-with-me.html

[nanodeath]

hey that's cheating 😛

[nkiesel]

nope. just me being clumsy and pressing "enter" instead of "ctrl+enter"😊🇩🇪

[nanodeath]

it kinda sounds like what we use for live coding during interviews

[nanodeath]

those often cost $ tho

[nanodeath]

https://repl.it/site/multiplayer ?

[nkiesel]

just checked this out. More project-oriented than codebunk (which might be good in the long run), but REPL seems rather slow.

[Byron Katz]

This has been a long-term project for us as well. We've done Floobits and Code with me, but for now we're resigned to using Google meet in combination with git commit / git push / git pull

[Byron Katz]

We would need a full-screen share, since we want to work with the UI of the application as well. Tools that operate solely in the IDE don't allow that.

[nkiesel]

yeah, these interview tools do not allow seeing e.g. mobile emulators. Google meet does not allow execution, so would require lots of copy-and-paste, esp. for little "how would I code this" questions.. or is there some plugin for meet that simplifies that?

[Byron Katz]

The only thing I have seen that comes close is full-screensharing programs allowing multiple cursors, like teamviewer

[Byron Katz]

It's a little rough - there's slight lag between your action and it registering - but if you can adjust to it, I think it's probably the best thing going for virtual pairing.

[nkiesel]

understood. but also not easy to keep such snippets around and/or refer back to them when using such screen-sharing tools. The interview tools do a reasonable job at that.

[nkiesel]

of course we could commit them to a "playground" git repo.

[Big Chungus]

Have a look at gitlive

[Byron Katz]

Gitlive looks like floobits and code-with-me. Basically under-the-covers it transmits the changes to the text of the working directory to all participants. But without an ability to access outside-IDE tools and the UI, it's always fallen short.

[nkiesel]

"codecollab" supports Kotlin 1.4.21 but is really slow in execution and does not support completion etc.

[James Richardson]

Tuple is great but mac only. (I use tuple, but don't work for them)