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thymecypher
12/09/2019, 8:15 PMIs there a JetBrains slack? Or just the Discord?
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Marko Mitic
12/09/2019, 8:20 PMMaybe JetBrains space
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thymecypher
12/09/2019, 8:21 PMHah - I googled that thinking “No way there’s already a slack for Space” and it directed me to the “JetBrains Platform Slack”
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Holger Steinhauer [Mod]
12/09/2019, 8:22 PMWell, with that pricing, it is cheaper to use Slack 😛
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thymecypher
12/09/2019, 8:23 PMTo be fair, it’s definitely priced to be all-inclusive. It’s insane what some of the software it replaces costs… I’m trying to get some companies to switch and I’d hate to convince them to move to Atlassian when Space might be better.
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Holger Steinhauer [Mod]
12/09/2019, 8:24 PMWell, would be nice trying it. But even if you use Slack, Atlassian plus the JB IDE of your choice, it still won’t sum up to 90 USD / user
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thymecypher
12/09/2019, 8:25 PMI’ve convinced people to pay for JB themselves - reminding them to NOT ask their employer to compensate since it violates the license. At this point, $15/mo feels like I’m robbing JetBrains.
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Holger Steinhauer [Mod]
12/09/2019, 8:26 PMFor Atlassian it is 4 USD / month or so (in case of cloud verrsion), Slack is 15 USD or so per month plus an IDE that costs around 199 USD per year (makes roughly 17 bucks per month). So still far away from 90. Not sure if I got the wrong figures tho
I don’t mind paying JB. I get a lot back in return.
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thymecypher
12/09/2019, 8:28 PMSpace is definitely going to have a hard time at first because nobody is going to pay those prices to dive full in.
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Holger Steinhauer [Mod]
12/09/2019, 8:29 PMWell, to be fair, all Slack “competitors” were rather… disappointing to say the least. Mattermost, MS Teams, Skype - they usually don’t compare.
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thymecypher
12/09/2019, 8:29 PMI’m trying to get into the preview so I can see if it’s worth the investment. YouTrack absolutely isn’t - it’s amazing for developers but every PM I’ve talked to that hates it has very valid reasons to.
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Holger Steinhauer [Mod]
12/09/2019, 8:29 PMAnd I like Confluence and Jira.
Yeah, there seems to be always at least one product from an amazing company that just sucks or is HIGHLY niche.
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thymecypher
12/09/2019, 8:30 PMI hated Teams for the longest, and it still has it’s issues, but if Slack were to have a competitor, it’s Teams. It LOOKS like Space copies JIRA/Confluence not YouTrack, so that’s what has me interested. You hate JIRA until you realize how extremely useful it is.
I mean I still hate JIRA but if given a choice, I’m choosing JIRA
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Holger Steinhauer [Mod]
12/09/2019, 8:30 PMTeamCity is one example - as a techie it grew on me but it is still highly overcomplicated
Yeah, if people would stop using Jira for everything but use it for its original purpose, it is awesome and save so much time
And the integration of Atlassian products is great as well.
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thymecypher
12/09/2019, 8:31 PMOh I H A T E the integrations. They work so poorly it’s unbelievable.
I’ve been on two JIRA instances with the Zeplin integration and both - “There was a problem”
And when it does actually work - it links to the wrong screen…
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Holger Steinhauer [Mod]
12/09/2019, 8:32 PMThere are loads of competitors that try to tackle the issue Jira never completely solves (it started as an issue tracker and tries to be an agile tool plus issue tracker now)
Oh, that is sad to hear. I tried to get different tools to interact (linking to issues in a wiki, create dashboards with content from different sources and so on) and nothing worked as well as Confluence & Jira (plus Bitbucket and Co in rare cases)
What is the problem you usually see with the integration?
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thymecypher
12/09/2019, 8:34 PMIt’s either slow or doesn’t work reliably.
I’ve heard self hosted instances are a lot better though.
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Holger Steinhauer [Mod]
12/09/2019, 8:35 PMHmm, how big was the installation?
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thymecypher
12/09/2019, 8:35 PMNo idea - every JIRA I’ve used was Atlassian Cloud.
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Holger Steinhauer [Mod]
12/09/2019, 8:35 PMAh, that is true, the hosted ones seem to lack from time to time
I use the self-hosted one since they introduced the 10 User, 10 Dollar option plus worked on several self-hosted instances at larger companies
The biggest issue is usually some “smart” colleague trying to “tweak” it. This fucks it up. But otherwise, I can’t complain. ymmv tho
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thymecypher
12/09/2019, 8:36 PMGitLab is one platform that is ASTOUNDING when self hosted.
It was unbelievable pushing up 300mb projects in seconds, and lightning fast PRs.
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Holger Steinhauer [Mod]
12/09/2019, 8:37 PMLOL, we have rather opposite experiences. GitLab brings Ruby on Rails on the table and it is horribly slow on larger installations
No idea about the hosted version - I am a GitHub user l)
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thymecypher
12/09/2019, 8:38 PMWell the company I used it at had the money to splurge on $20k rack mount servers with 16-bay SATA drive enclosures… Hahaha.
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Holger Steinhauer [Mod]
12/09/2019, 8:38 PMHe he - “Make it feel the pain” 😄
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thymecypher
12/09/2019, 8:38 PMIt says something when one of the servers died and we didn’t notice for months.
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Holger Steinhauer [Mod]
12/09/2019, 8:39 PMI heard good stuff about Gittea. But it is hosted Git with a bit of Gui only.
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thymecypher
12/09/2019, 8:39 PMMeanwhile my personal rackmount experience was a $300 dell running Windows Server 2000 😂
Oh sorry - it was called “Windows 2000 server” - such a silly name.
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Holger Steinhauer [Mod]
12/09/2019, 8:40 PMDanger seeker - running Windows Server is always something for the hardcore admin, who hates sleep and loves paying money for something that is high maintenance 😛
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Spike Baylor
12/09/2019, 8:56 PM@thymecypher would you mind giving me a couple quick bullets of what people don' t like about YouTrack? I've heard it a lot lately but no one has said why.
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I've been using it and enjoying it, but its literally just for me and i'm using it at the level of todo list for the most part, so i'm sure i just haven't run into the deficiencies that a full team would run into
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thymecypher
12/09/2019, 9:00 PMI don’t have exact bullet points but the general feel is it’s built for making developer’s lives easier - which it does very very well with the ability to move/edit/resolve tickets without touching a mouse, but it doesn’t flow nearly as well as JIRA when it comes to tickets and how they exist in an agile mindset.
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Spike Baylor
12/09/2019, 9:02 PMah, good enough answer. Thanks. I assumed it was something of that level.
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Simon Kågedal Reimer
12/10/2019, 1:48 AMThat Jetbrains Platform Slack though, it is mostly for plugin developers? Or can you discuss general stuff about the products as well?
Took a look now, indeed seems very plugin development oriented
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