I do not agree that it will be hard to ween people away, I think Slack is a perfect exmaple of something that solved a problem, but that was all they had, there’s SO MUCH MORE it should be doing and is not

the Space demo was a tad silly in places

the floormap so he could find his associates? uh, dude, this is your critical window to impress us, do not fill it with dryer lint

but, I could see the JB team absolutely shellacking Slack and then not having to win people over

think Subversion -> Git

like a Kuhnian Paradigm Shift

(when I saw that’s what they announced, per my prediction on reddit, I wanted to search the archives here cause I was egging them on to do that years ago, and a bunch of the elders were telling me slack was great, I was like ‘wait, what??’.. 🙂 )

yup

I thought that too

I thought the final pricing slide was kind of confusing

but good, because the free tier was about storage and message constraints, not numbers of projects, as I recall

then the next one up was $8 per seat, which is less than Slack is now

which of course is really smart

well I am kind of wrong, there are ‘app’ limits, but they are very generous

the fact that it’s written in Kotlin is reassuring too, hopefully means it could get a lot bigger without collapsing

@trevjones I am going to want self-hosted actually

I think when Slack mentioned in their SR1 that they hold onto people’s data even if they delete it or quit, a dark cloud settled over them..

if they got hacked a whole lot of blackmail could ensue

you know this app could never really become more than it is.. there’s no way out of the little rat maze its made for itself.. that was the best thing about space, the idea not only that the chats could be woven into planning, meetings, etc., but that chats could spawn contextually on their own, and ostensibly, be preserved in other parts of the record of what happened (e.g. reviews)…

that caught my attention during the preso was automation, have been doing a project for a while now that has a lot of parts to it, and runs on aws, and jesus the automation part of it is exhausting.. CloudFormation, aws-cdk, CodePipeline, etc., and it all ends up feeling like waking back up into the ant era of Java…

I could at least write my own plugins, for whatever automation piece, but then still have one place with a dashboard where everything resides together.. yeah there were a ton of possibilties, I was surprised that they didn’t show that you could have a project wiki, they showed a blog, which is fantastic, but a wiki too would be great, then they are also a potential threat to GitHub..

https://www.jetbrains.com/space/ "plan and do"

that said, yeah I did not see a Kanban, or drilling from a ticket down into corresponding code.. but maybe they are thinking new lighter simpler tools are in order.. I would again be surprised if Kanban is out, but..

there is totally a kanban in the issues thing

"planned"

wonder if they did the mobile apps in K, must have

those look nice

found it:

another question mark: screenshare

they want $25 per person per month!

not that that’s that high but when you compare it to $8 on the pricing sheet JB showed it’s pretty absurd

Jira + Confluence on Cloud for 20 Users on Standard is $240/month. Building a suite that matches Space will cost a lot more than space. So some orgs might be convinced just on price. But Enterprises don't seem to care/worry that much about this, and they won't be interested until Server versions are available. But for small/mid-size firms, this is very interesting.