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thiagoretondar
10/11/2019, 2:43 PMThanks @sdeleuze and #spring team for supporting and integrating more and more with K
https://twitter.com/relizarov/status/1182651349449760768
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sdeleuze
10/11/2019, 4:09 PMMy pleasure 😉
The talk recording should be available next week
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thiagoretondar
10/11/2019, 4:18 PMNice! From what I’ve followed on twitter the S1P was very good!
We need to promote more Kotlin! For me specially in the backend!
I’m building a lot of microservices with Kotlin+Spring and they just fit so well
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poohbar
10/11/2019, 4:21 PMI was at a meetup at Pivotal the other day and expected a lot of Kotlin supporters. But after chatting with a few employees I learnt that most of Pivotal devs are still deeply entrenched in Java and there are just very few outliers like @sdeleuze that actually push Kotlin at all.
Was a pretty disappointing experience as on the outside it looks like Pivotal is embracing Kotlin.
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thiagoretondar
10/11/2019, 4:27 PM@poohbar sad to hear that 😞
@sdeleuze @starbuxman is there any place where we can find some metrics of how many projects are created in start.spring.io using Kotlin?
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sdeleuze
10/11/2019, 4:39 PMIt is important to understand that there is much more inertia on server side than on mobile for example.
@poohbar Spring committers are mostly still mostly on Java but a significant number of them currently are starting to use the language.
I am not sure I can share the stats of start.spring.io, will ask.
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poohbar
10/11/2019, 4:42 PM@sdeleuze gotcha, Pivotal is the leader in server-side Java so the more support and adoption we get from there the better for Kotlin.
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sdeleuze
10/11/2019, 4:43 PMThe most important feature is the Kotlin reference documentation that will extend to Boot and Security next year, this will have much more impact than any other feature (including Coroutines).
It allows Java developer to compare typical Spring use case to Kotlin super easliy
I am pretty sure this will be a big enabler
Also Kotlin must provide middle term a different value proposition than just "use same stuff with other language". That what I work on with https://github.com/spring-projects-experimental/spring-fu.
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thiagoretondar
10/11/2019, 4:55 PMI have been playing with spring kofu on personal projects only. Very good stuff, thank you
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sdeleuze
10/11/2019, 4:56 PMThanks, I will try to evolve it now that Spring Framework 5.2 is out.
Coroutines are great but most our developers are still on Spring MVC + Tomcat so that's great but not enough to make people switch massively.
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To me the focus should be on more Kotlin refdoc and maturing Spring Boot Kotlin DSL (Kofu).
And also a better Kotlin frontend story
Hence my push for better Kotlin/JS story, Wasm, etc.
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thiagoretondar
10/11/2019, 4:58 PMIs there a way we can help on Kotlin reference documentation? I’m sure this very important to make Kotlin adoption much easier
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sdeleuze
10/11/2019, 4:58 PMYou could ping the PR author to ask him if he can give you the redientials to contribute on his fork.
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