Do you think kotlin will break out from the java interop thing and become a cloud native language on its own. Maybe improving upon the memory consumption or need for jvm

I think that's the goal. 🎉🎊🍾 You sound struggling with a JVM license or sort of 😁

not sure what you’re asking? you can run the jvm in containers without licensing issues, kotlin/native provides an LLVM backend, and if nothing else you can use GraalVM to make Native Images

furthermore with microprofile we have a project that trys to bring java/the jvm into the cloud

I would be glad if they improve JNI at least, maybe KNI, so it would be more developer friendly.