Hey, I'm a Vaadin guy but the recent changes on it...

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[Marcelus Trojahn]

Hey, I'm a Vaadin guy but the recent changes on it are making me re-think it... Also, if I lose Vaadin I'd be inclined to drop Spring too since I already dropped Spring-data. Any advises on a web framework to create UIs on the server-side like Vaadin that would be nice to work with Ktor?

[Robert Jaros]

perhaps https://kweb.io/

[Robert Jaros]

http://docs.kweb.io/en/latest/faq.html#what-s-the-difference-between-kweb-and-vaadin

[Marcelus Trojahn]

thanks.. that never came up in my seaches... off to study it 🙂

[nfrankel]

hey @Marcelus Trojahn
interesting
i was also a vaadin fan, but the latest changes are... strange, to say the least
i’ve talked with the vaadin team
they seem to have realized it
what changes made you re-think?

[Marcelus Trojahn]

Mainly 2 things. Firstly I think it's much heavier and slower and I don't mean after deployed, I mean during development. If I have spring-devtools enable, Vaadin always loses it's @Routes after a few reloads to the point I gave up on devtools which made my development really slower. Every run and compilation takes a lot of time now.

[Marcelus Trojahn]

Also, I think it's harder to customize things. I choose Vaadin for a reason, not having to learn or deal with frontend stuff. But I find myself trying to fix my UI a lot more than developing the backend. I used to work with Thymeleaf before, so I had to do all the work, import webjars with components I wanted, dealing with Bootstrap, etc... The reason I went Vaadin was to bypass all that. But right now I feel I can't make a UI look like I want or be more responsive.

[nfrankel]

Ok, thanks for your feedback

[Marcelus Trojahn]

np