Kotlin is great language . But I still can't find any opportunities or jobs related to Kotlin . Most...

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[Rohan Maity]

Kotlin is great language . But I still can't find any opportunities or jobs related to Kotlin . Most of them end up being Android dev. None for kotlin/server side . ☹️

Does anyone here know some opportunities and Jobs in Kotlin ?

[thevery]

Check #C0BQ5GZ0S

[louiscad]

Did you search for "Kotlin job -android" on Google?

[hhariri]

I also know quite a few folks that just “hire Java” but then do Kotlin.

[Rohan Maity]

@louiscad majority of people are kotlin-android . But Kotlin is not just for Android . I only saw few jobs that too in #C0BQ5GZ0S (thanks @thevery ) wanting Kotlin for backend . But only few .

Kotlin has awesom KTor.
Kotlin/native is also amazing but hardly saw people using it .
but still people see Kotlin for Android .
(That upsets alot 😢 )

[hhariri]

I think those of us that don’t use Kotlin for Android should be more vocal and share our experiences, etc. to change this perception.

[hhariri]

In any case I think this is actually improving significantly. Just looking at the ration of android vs non-android at KotlinConf alone, it’s grown significantly from last year (and year before that).

[Rohan Maity]

i studied OS and linux applilcations this semester. i will surely use kotlin-native and spread the word about it. Also i am planning to make full kotlin ptoject (kotlin -js for website, kotlin-android and Ktor for backend) for this summers

[Rohan Maity]

@hhariri I saw you would be coming to India for JetBrains day . And also would be giving talk on Kotlin/anywhere . I am glad

But There is one problem I would like to address . I have given Talks to introduce Kotlin in my local communities but whenever I introduce Kotlin, One question always pop up "Do I have to learn Java first" . Also resources and blogs till now always compare Java and Kotlin .

Kotlin is a wonderful language . Is not there way to introduce Kotlin Lang without comparing to Java (specifically) .

I remember when I was I introduced to Python . I wasn't made to compare with C or other language. I was just shown . How much less and easy code I have to write with Python (No Java syntax or other)
But official docs compare Java syntax with Kotlin . That makes confusion to beginners .

I think that's one of the problem people getting started with Kotlin .

People already know Kotlin for Android . If more effort is made in direction for KTor and Native (not in Android conf) but other , then may be people would be more aware .

[hhariri]

Yeah. We’re aware of this issue. There are resources such as Atomic Kotlin that doesn’t require it, but we have to work harder at making the contents less “Javaesque”

[Rohan Maity]

Atomic Kotlin , only two chapter free. This also hinders . Python was free from beginning