Why are you so worried about "flooding" the channe...
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k
Why are you so worried about "flooding" the channel? What is going to happen? its general
k
A couple hundred (maybe thousand) people get notifications about this.
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k
why would they
i didnt tag anyone
g
Again, because your messages is pure off-topic
k
i asked why they would get a notification
what does that have to do with the content of my message
e
And this discussion isn’t even related to Kotlin now, continuing the discussion will push away any useful information & discussion above, which could be useful for people with the same question.
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g
I getting notification about new messages in this slack, I read this slack for kotlin-related questions
k
that seems pretty moronic, to get notifications about messages in a 18k people channel
d
Writing in a thread will help people follow discussion (as well as help those who don't want to). This is just a little courtesy to those who jump in lately -- it would be easier for them to see whole discussion grouped in the one thread rather than go over 50+ messages.
k
I mean why do you care?
If people want to go through all the messages
then let them, other people probably wont bother
g
I care because read and write to this slack every day and read updates, and would like to see this slack focused on Kotlin with people who follow rules of this slack and understand how participate in discussions
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e
The main reason is to keep the messages organised so that people can easily follow.
k
then maybe we have a different understanding of what the GENERAL channel is used for
g
You have wrong “understanding of what the GENERAL channel is used for”. This is channel for general (questions not suitable for any other channel) questions related to Kotlin directly, not to programming in general
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d
It's not about people who want to go through all messages. It's about those who can't go through all messages, so they have to choose which discussion to follow. And we feel that it's very important for everyone in the community to help making this choice easier. That's why we value high things that help to organize discussion, like threads or topic-specific channels. It saves time of other community members.
j
I usually read the channel trying to learn new things and I can, then try to help, If for some reason I start reading offtopic it's more likely I stop paying attention to the channel, if that happens to me, can happen as well to a bunch of people here that can help us whenever we got a doubt, I'd like them to do what they're doing, instead loosing interest in the channel. Sorry, just my 2 cents
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d
then maybe we have a different understanding of what the GENERAL channel is used for
I see, we could indeed communicate purpose of the #general channel better. I apologize for that; we'll think what we can improve here
k
i am sorry to say, but this is a moronic statement "questions related to Kotlin directly, not to programming"
Kotlin is a programming language, that is what i use it for
so design is going to be an aspect of a PROGRAMMING language when i create applications
j
I guess that's the reason they created this slack, kotlin, if you dont like it, is as easier as leaving, but I wouldn't, usually find it helpful, still if you want to ask those kinda questions, there is also another slack, that might be a better place to ask, Android United
g
I don’t know how to explain the thing even better, why you don’t understand difference between questions about technology and general questions about programming
k
because there is a difference, if i am writing my application in assembly, it will have a different design
j
k
i dont understand why this is so hard to understand
n
@kotlin_questions: have u even bothered to read the code of conduct? If yes, you would have been more courteous to the people who are being nice to u even though u violated the CoC multiple times by calling certain people’s action moronic who hv contributed so much to this community. Please read it first before posting or ranting. Thanks.
k
are you saying people that contribute to a community cant be moronic?
i dont really care who or what they are.. I treat people the same way either way
and if you think that a programming language does not influence your decision and way of creating applications and the design, then I think that this is moronic ,sorry to say
d
@kotlin_questions just rewrite your question. make it completely self-contained (one long post), and include the kotlin specific aspects.
g
Maybe if you at least tried to formulate and ask your question in a proper way, you wouldn’t get this push back about your off-topic and do not fight with a dozen people here and insult people who just try to help
j
🤔 meh, do as you please, bored of this already, have fun my man, don't think that's a good way to treat the people that could help you in the future
n
By being rude? Maybe you need to learn the etiquettes of communicating over the internet. Please read the code of conduct first. @kotlin_questions
k
I did try to ask, and i was answering questions of someone that was going to help me, but then i got cut off for no apparent reason. This does not make people feel welcome
g
No need to “try”, just send full question with some Kotlin related aspect, that’s all what you need. And yeah, do not discuss direct rules of this community in general or at least use threads, do not call people morons, it’s not so hard after all
h
@kotlin_questions The Slack is mainly about Kotin and discussions related to Kotlin, which include but not limited to: - Design Patterns in Kotlin - Libraries and frameworks in Kotlin - Using Kotlin with different technologies - etc. but with one common theme - Kotlin. The goal here isn’t to be exclusionary but to keep the focus of the Slack because people generally join this slack for Kotlin. The code of conduct gives some tips and hints around the different channels and tries to guide people, but obviously it’s not exhaustive and can be improved, and welcome to improvement via filing of issues or direct Pull Requests. Your specific question didn’t seem related to Kotlin and more of a general question, and reading it now it felt very much like it was complete and didn’t feel interrupted, but then again the only person that can be sure of that is yourself. Yourself much like the other 18000 people on this channel are very much welcome here and you’re more than welcome to discuss any topics not related directly to Kotlin on the #random channel which is what it’s for. However, I do ask you that you refrain from using insulting words. In particular you’ve mentioned “moronic” quite a good number of times and it’s out of line. Finally, if you wish to continue to have this discussion about the purpose of this Slack, I strongly suggest you move it to #meta which is what that channel is for. Thanks.
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k
so how do i call moronic things, if they are moronic? @hhariri
h
Given that moronic means foolish or stupid, but in a more insulting way, I’d start with being a bit more constructive in your feedback and say something along the lines of “I strongly disagree with this stance and here are my reasons” Because by and large insults won’t help anyone accomplish things. And I’m happy to discuss this but on #meta as I’ve said. Thanks.
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k
well I think it is stupid, so I went for moronic instead of stupid, which in essence means the same as "I strongly disagree " I think we are all grown up and can deal with scary words like stupid and moronic . I don't live in nazi Germany and will not allow you to censor what I want to say. I did not attack the person, I merely made my opinion known about a particular sentence. Either way, tanks and have a good day
h
@kotlin_questions This is not about censorship. This is about respecting the code of conduct. You disagree with it, you’re welcome to leave. You violate it, you will be banned. I hope that is very clear.
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p
I would like to applaud Kotlin community how generous this situation was resolved. You are best!
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c
I learnt a lot of patience reading this thread.
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