(Mind you, I haven’t use Gradle!)
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Michael
03/19/2018, 4:39 PM(Mind you, I haven’t use Gradle!)
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nfrankel
03/19/2018, 4:41 PMmaven is far from perfect
but gradle is not the solution
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poohbar
03/19/2018, 4:42 PMgradle is an abomination
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Adam Risberg
03/19/2018, 4:43 PM@poohbarbad experiences with gradle?
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nfrankel
03/19/2018, 4:44 PM“failure by design”
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poohbar
03/19/2018, 4:45 PMi have no good experiences with gradle.. i think the whole design and the whole approach is contraproductive.. i also think that groovy sucks so that turns me off right away, and i hate what gradle logs
poohbar
03/19/2018, 4:45 PMbuild programming language with no auto-complete? what a grand idea
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robstoll
03/19/2018, 4:48 PManybody who writes gradle build files with kotlin?
robstoll
03/19/2018, 4:49 PMthere you would have your auto-completion back I suppose
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dnorton
03/19/2018, 4:53 PM@nfrankel can you elaborate? My experience hasn't been bad at all.
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fred.deschenes
03/19/2018, 4:53 PMam I the only one that's never really had to write code in a Gradle build file?
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nfrankel
03/19/2018, 4:59 PM@dnorton gradle was designed to be flexible by default
(just like Ant was)
in reaction to maven being “too strict”
but it makes it very easy to do quick-and-dirty hack
at least, in maven, you need to write a plugin
and it takes time
so that you do it only if it’s necessary
with gradle, anyone can write its crap into the build just because he thinks he knows better
this was my thinking before
and i witnessed it first hand
nfrankel
03/19/2018, 4:59 PMoh, yes
and as an integration testing aficionado
there’s no integration testing phase in gradle
but as gradle fanboys will tell you:
“you can easily add it”
back to ant again...
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poohbar
03/19/2018, 5:06 PMi have never had to write a plugin for maven
poohbar
03/19/2018, 5:06 PMbut i will soon have to if the general trend continues with abandoning the only sane java build tool and going into the insanity of gradle
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nfrankel
03/19/2018, 8:08 PM🤗
nfrankel
03/19/2018, 8:08 PMi feel you
nfrankel
03/19/2018, 10:04 PMd
dnorton
03/20/2018, 12:41 PM@nfrankel thanks for the explanation. I've really only used Gradle on smaller projects that don't have complex build requirements. I did, however, roll my own integration test task.
So, I get your point. It's a matter of structure/governance for you. IMO, those issues are why interest in Gradle has flattened over the last year.
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nfrankel
03/20/2018, 12:58 PMi let everyone draw his own conclusion
for me, it’s pretty clear 🙂
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