Is Kotlin influenced by Swift

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gildor · Answer

Kotlin first public appearance 2011 Swift public release 2014 But development of both of them started almost at the same time Swift First commit 18 July 2010 Kotlin First commit 8 Nov 2010

gildor · Answer

Proofs <https github com apple swift commits master after=9e8d0aea8167ee7ae2344c9ecb7fc9f38da456ac+62124> <https github com JetBrains Kotlin commits master after=5252cd4da46bbfa8bb7412ffde8352fd0acb286e+42979>

Czar · Answer

There is no isolation in modern world everyone and everything is influenced by everyone and everything else

sxtanna · Answer

That s a major stretch < Czar>

Czar · Answer

Maybe but I believe in that

sxtanna · Answer

But does it definitely apply to this

sxtanna · Answer

Someone wants to know lol

edwardwongtl · Answer

I won t say Kotlin is influenced by Swift but maybe other language like C

edwardwongtl · Answer

Swift is just published earlier than Kotlin but it has nothing to influence Kotlin though

gildor · Answer

< edwardwongtl> Swift published later than Kotlin Swift official release is 2014

edwardwongtl · Answer

Oops my bad

Czar · Answer

I m getting in philosophy here but really influence is a very broad term and it can be both positive Kotlin borrows something and negative Kotlin does something to avoid rectify solve reverse some other language s problem That s why I m saying that a lot of stuff influenced Kotlin I have no doubt that designers of Kotlin have had at least some experience or knowledge of other languages concepts and technologies and all that gave them perspective understanding and ideas about how to design Kotlin If by influenced OP means borrowing concepts then I d say Kotlin wasn t influenced by Swift at the point where information about Swift was published core Kotlin concepts were already formulated A lot of other stuff did influence Kotlin though one of the major contributors in this regard is probably C as was mentioned on numerous occasions by Kotlin developers

Joe · Answer

The way I have been describing Swift and Kotlin to people is like this you give the same set of specs to two different teams They both work toward the same set of goals learn from the pitfalls and mistakes of past languages to develop something easier to read and learn so they end up with some very similar elements On the other hand they are mostly looking backward at the problems and advantages of their ancestor languages Obj C on one side Java C on the other so of course they end up with different priorities and ideas about what is better