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audhil

05/12/2017, 10:37 AM
Any thoughts about flutter.io and dart language?
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louiscad

05/12/2017, 12:17 PM
audhil: For Flutter, I'm waiting for the instance state saving issue to be resolved for using it for Android: https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/6827 Should happen sometime before 2029...
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audhil

05/12/2017, 12:38 PM
lol
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firezenk

05/12/2017, 1:48 PM
So I started reading the website, then I saw something like: “StatelessWidget” and “StatefulWidget” then I closed my browser
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curioustechizen

05/12/2017, 1:51 PM
Flutter is the "UI toolkit" for Fuchsia OS, so I wouldn't dismiss it. Dart is a pleasant language too (compared to both Java and JS). What I found not so appealing about flutter is the verbose programmatic UI code. Some Kotlin-esque syntax sugar would have been nice to make more concide DSLs
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benleggiero

05/12/2017, 11:15 PM
I think Flutter.io has some good ideas
I just looked at Dart and I don't like it. It's a step backwards, not forwards.
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dariuszbacinski

05/13/2017, 1:27 PM
Flutter is very similar to React, it is much better in terms of tooling, everything just works out of the box, it is still in alfa stage but very promising. Can't wait for a first stable release. And i agree that building layouts with it is a bit to verbose, each ui component has single responsibility and you have to nest a lot of them to get what you want.
Dart is very similar to Java, it is much simpler than Kotlin, but has got all you need to be productive.
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benleggiero

05/13/2017, 1:37 PM
Dart seems like a step closer to Go, not to Kotlin
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