i ve been trying to get into web applications but ihave foun

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i ve been trying to get into web applications but ihave found no luck everything has such a high learning curve What do you guys recomend

Shawn · Answer

are you trying to do some full stack development or are you asking about server side specifically

Hamza · Answer

sorry sweat smile what s the difference

Shawn · Answer

full stack would include like the front and the back end server side is the back end

Shawn · Answer

not that it s necessarily such a clear cut dichotomy but I figure that s concise enough for a beginner

Hamza · Answer

so spring would be full stack right I want like a simpler version spring where i can simply connect frontend and backend together

Shawn · Answer

what do you envision that to look like

Shawn · Answer

what is simply connecting frontend and backend

Hamza · Answer

hmm im not too sure having relatively simple ways to create html or template it and work with posts gets If you understand

Shawn · Answer

I mean at the core you need a web server to serve rendered templates and run business logic

Shawn · Answer

many of the simpler server solutions can do that and the ones that can t can usually be wired up with a template processor

Hamza · Answer

i guess what s a good starting point for fullstack

Shawn · Answer

depends do you mean like in a practical sense or in a more academic sense there are probably some books and plenty of screencasts if you re into that

Shawn · Answer

otherwise you can learn spring if you want or run Spring Boot Ktor Javalin etc to get the backend up and running learn the frontend stuff from there

Hamza · Answer

any good documentation for javalin

Hamza · Answer

the website is ok but it isn t too in depth i still find it difficult to understand what is fully going on

Shawn · Answer

if you re really at the outset of building web applications then Javalin probably isn t what you want

Hamza · Answer

oh okay

Shawn · Answer

it s great for folks who want to hammer out some endpoints and have a decent idea of how they wanna wire things together

Shawn · Answer

Ktor is in a similar state

Hamza · Answer

okay so my first idea was to make a little repository type of system where i can document all the books in my library

Hamza · Answer

so that is my first goal and im not sure how to start

Hamza · Answer

i want it so it has a nice enough ui for others to be able to use as well and easy enough for me to add remove items from

Shawn · Answer

honestly I might even recommend a different language to start out with to get the basics

Shawn · Answer

Java web frameworks tend to be too enterprise and the Kotlin stuff tends to be too new to cater to newbies

Shawn · Answer

conversely there are countless tutorials for getting up and running with Python and Flask for example

Hamza · Answer

hmm i really really wanna use kotlin

Shawn · Answer

you can probably follow along with a Java tutorial if you know Kotlin well enough but ultimately I don t think I could really recommend the language for someone literally just starting out

Shawn · Answer

what you want to do is pretty common and is called a CRUD app Create Read Update Delete <https en wikipedia org wiki Create read update and delete>

Hamza · Answer

alright thanks

Shawn · Answer

and there plenty of tutorials to build those

Hamza · Answer

what about good docs for learning spring with kotlin I only saw one blog post relating to spring with proper kotlin related things

Shawn · Answer

there s probably not too many articles about spring+kotlin since it works largely the same as spring+java

Hamza · Answer

oh okay

Shawn · Answer

the framework doesn t really take advantage of any kotlin specific features though there are plugins and adapters to do so

Shawn · Answer

these are generally intended for people who are separately familiar with spring and kotlin

Hamza · Answer

i seee

Hamza · Answer

thanks for your input shawn

Hamza · Answer

god i give up im so confused where to start can you lead me to anything Thanks

Shawn · Answer

this looks like a pretty comprehensive guide <https spring io guides tutorials spring boot kotlin >

Shawn · Answer

it s maybe a bit overkill but you ll likely gain quite a bit of needed perspective regardless

Hamza · Answer

ok thansk

tipsy · Answer

this is exactly why I m making javalin <https javalin io>

tipsy · Answer

i d be happy to help you get started making an app

Hamza · Answer

wonderful I ll take a look Thanks

tipsy · Answer

having read the whole thread now i see you already found it slightly smiling face

Hamza · Answer

yeah

tipsy · Answer

if you let me know which parts you don t understand i can improve the website

Hamza · Answer

well it gives u tutorials on making apps

Hamza · Answer

but it doesn t really explain what is happening

tipsy · Answer

like how http works

tipsy · Answer

the html form tutorial includes some theory on when to use GET vs POST <https javalin io tutorials html forms example kotlin>

tipsy · Answer

it s for creating reservations but that can be easily translated into adding books

Hamza · Answer

okay

tipsy · Answer

are you new to programming in general or just new to web

Hamza · Answer

web

Hamza · Answer

i have a basic knowledge of kotlin and java but none in any enterprise

tipsy · Answer

alright that can be a challenge

Hamza · Answer

i really do find it hard how did you learn

tipsy · Answer

a master s degree and four years of work experience in a telecom sweat smile

Hamza · Answer

that definitely makes it easier

tipsy · Answer

takes a long time though slightly smiling face

Hamza · Answer

so you know what i know nothing i m commited to use javalin to make my book repository thing where should i start

tipsy · Answer

if you can find a free bootcamp course on youtube they can be very effective

Hamza · Answer

hmm i prefer docs and the such videos are not the type for me

tipsy · Answer

do you know how to setup a maven gradle project in intellij

Hamza · Answer

yeah I do

Hamza · Answer

i ve used tornadofx quite a bit

Hamza · Answer

i ve gotten quite good at it i d say

tipsy · Answer

then i would start with cloning the HTML form repository and looking at how it works

Hamza · Answer

okay

tipsy · Answer

i ll be working on javalin for the next hours so feel free to message me to ask questions