I would disagree with Kaidan here and maybe many o...
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poohbar
03/15/2018, 2:30 PMI would disagree with Kaidan here and maybe many others. I think Kotlin is not a good language to learn unless you have a decent understanding of Java. It really makes perfect sense if you know Java and liked Effective Java but some parts of the language make very little sense if taken out of context (of Java).
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jkbbwr
03/15/2018, 2:36 PMI disagree with you.
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nfrankel
03/15/2018, 4:22 PM@poohbar i like challenging point of views
care to explain in details?
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poohbar
03/15/2018, 5:22 PMSure, for example the concept of `equals`/`hashCode` is directly taken from Java and the Kotlin documentation just relies on people knowing how it works there.
poohbar
03/15/2018, 5:22 PMImmutable collections are not truly immutable and are just a compile time facade on top of Java collections so if you don't understand Java collection then good luck.
poohbar
03/15/2018, 5:23 PMKotlin generics are derived from Java too.
poohbar
03/15/2018, 5:25 PMAlso, huge number of libraries that you are forced to use in Kotlin are written in Java and for Java. You have to understand Java to understand how they work.
poohbar
03/15/2018, 5:25 PMI will believe one can be productive in Kotlin without any Java knowledge when I meet such person.
poohbar
03/15/2018, 5:27 PMYou also frequently interact with Java stdlib parts that just have extensions in Kotlin such as
<http://java.io|java.io>poohbar
03/15/2018, 5:28 PMI can compare learning Kotlin to learning Clojure (while not knowing Java) and I think in Clojure you would be much more successful.
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nfrankel
03/15/2018, 5:38 PMok
makes sense
thanks for the explanation
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