Do you think <#C0B8ZTWE4|spring> can be overtaken ...

# server

[thiagoretondar]

Do you think #spring can be overtaken by #micronaut? Which one you think is better to work with Kotlin?

[addamsson]

Not really. They have years (almost a decade) of work carved out for them

[addamsson]

Spring has been around for quite some time, its industry adoption is very high, it is almost omnipresent especially on enterprise projects

[addamsson]

they also fixed a lot of issues which came out and it is very easy to use now

[thiagoretondar]

even with more serverless adoption?

[addamsson]

yes

[addamsson]

99% of the backend projects are still not serverless

[addamsson]

i also think that it is just a passing fad

[addamsson]

(serverless)

[addamsson]

I'm not against #micronaut , I really like the project but you asked about overtaking

[thiagoretondar]

and when working with spring, does it force you to code in a way more Java like than the Kotlin like?

[LeoColman]

I feel that it's somewhat in the middle

[LeoColman]

I can abuse Kotlin syntaxes, and functionalities

[LeoColman]

But for some parts I have to stick to a java-ish approach

[thiagoretondar]

like what parts?

[thiagoretondar]

btw, not related to the topic, but does anybody have a good article about best practices in project design with Spring?

[Jukka Siivonen]

I find this to be a nice example of Spring/Kotlin done in non-javaish way https://github.com/istonikula/realworld-api (but not saying if one should or should not take such approach)

[thiagoretondar]

thanks

[thiagoretondar]

For anyone is also interested in spring + kotlin, I've found this presentation https://www.infoq.com/presentations/spring-kotlin-boot

[tddmonkey]

Bit late to the party, but I don’t agree serverless is a passing fad. There’s some workloads it is perfectly suited for

[Ben]

The spring team is doing a lot of work to improve kotlin integration as well. Check out https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-fu

[addamsson]

@tddmonkey these are just my 2 cents, it is possible that I'm wrong

[tddmonkey]

I would agree they’re not a replacement for a lof of traditional BE apps, and running full servers in them probably doesn’t get you much. If you change how you approach problems they can be a fantastic solution to problems requiring minimal overhead