interesting article. I wonder how far you could ge...

# server

[bissell]

interesting article. I wonder how far you could get with AOT compilation of Kotlin JVM code e.g. with Graal

[napperley]

Good point! If one was looking at performance benchmarks with Graal then the same would need to be done with Kotlin Native. Aka have a Serverless benchmark covering Kotlin JVM, Kotlin Native, Go, JS via Node, Python, and C#.

[napperley]

Biggest problem with the benchmark idea is that there is no Serverless platform that supports Kotlin Native yet, therefore Kotlin Native can't be included in a Serverless benchmark 😢.

[bissell]

heh Kotlin barely supports Kotlin Native yet 😉

[bissell]

this is an interesting application area though. if it was supported Kotlin Native would be a lot more convenient than some AOT solution like Graal

[napperley]

Kotlin Native isn't too far away from a stable release though 😀. Guessing that Kotlin Native makes its debut in Kotlin 1.3 or 1.4, and the release provides official support for Serverless 🔮.

[bissell]

yeah I'm definitely excited to see how it turns out

[bissell]

kinda wonder how much of the perf gap with Go could really be closed while maintaining the mandate for reasonable interop with Kotlin-common. Stuff like pass-by-value vs. pass-by-reference which Go has is a pretty different programming model altogether. if Kotlin Native ventures too far into its own territory away from common/JVM/JS then at some point you might as well just use Go

[bissell]

but I am being a wet blanket and am very excited to see what just a simple native runtime can do for things like serverless

[sdeleuze]

See also https://medium.com/graalvm/instant-netty-startup-using-graalvm-native-image-generation-ed6f14ff7692

[sdeleuze]

Kotlin/JVM on Graal versus Kotlin/Native for serverless is going to be an interesting topic

[evanchooly]

I work with/on a serverless implementation and I’m going to do my best to not have to write js or python 😉

[mp]

@evanchooly LMK how that goes... I played with Lambda and was immediately put off by how clumsy the packaging was (and the insistence on JS/Python). Why isn't Docker/OCI/whatever image the standard deployable...

[evanchooly]

we use openwhisk so if push comes to shove, there’s always a docker deploy option. 🙂

[napperley]

Funny that Open Whisk has been mentioned. One Kotliner managed to get Kotlin Native working on Open Whisk ( https://jaxenter.com/kotlin-native-serverless-tutorial-fibonacci-fun-136615.html ) 🎉 .

[napperley]

For Kotliners looking at the IBM Cloud Functions platform ( Open Whisk based - https://console.bluemix.net/openwhisk/ ) there is experimental kotlin support ( https://github.com/ibm-functions/runtime-kotlin ), and a issue raised on Kotlin Native support ( https://github.com/ibm-functions/runtime-kotlin/issues/12 ). If you are interested in Kotlin Native support on the IBM Cloud Functions platform please vote for the issue.