Wonder why Kotlin is taking off while Clojure didn't so much... I personally really like Kotlin features, and don't find it bloated. BTW, I really like inline methods, and noinline can be useful for all the real world tricky use cases

@louiscad The Kotlin adoption has been about as slow as Clojure, check out tags on Stack Overflow or search trends on Google Trends

This doesn't necessarily reflect real usage since searches for help don't reflect real usage. For example, I search less for Kotlin stuff than for Java stuff, even though I code 100% Kotlin now

You can't say there is no correlation though. I think the bias would be on Kotlin's side because most people are currently learning thus searching more.

Clojure is a sort of niche language, just as Frege, for example. Doesn't mean it's bad. It's just not apples-to-apples.

Sure, so it's not super reassuring that Kotlin has still some work to do to be significantly more used than Clojure

Yeah, yeah 🧌

ok, maybe not the ONLY reason 😄

In practice, Kotlin is a sort of a niche language, too: a "better Java" for projects with existing Java codebases.

Yup, and since there is a lot of existing Java codebases that's a pretty good way to grow..

And of cause, it's not as elegant as a "concept" language designed from a scratch (e.g., Clojure as a "Lisp for JVM").