<https://youtube.com/watch?v=v8IQ-X2HkGE>
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orangy
07/10/2018, 8:40 PM
Does it have anything to do with Kotlin?
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oshai
07/10/2018, 8:40 PMYes, lots of comparison between scala and kotlin
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orangy
07/10/2018, 8:41 PM
Okay, I can’t watch it now, but I will.
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oshai
07/10/2018, 8:42 PMSee min 6:15
oshai
07/10/2018, 8:44 PMI was in the conference talking about scala vs kotlin, but this keynote did all the work much better than I did...
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Andreas Sinz
07/10/2018, 9:58 PMActually, kotlin wasn't mentioned that much, just about less than a minute in total. kotlin mentioned at 6:15 that it surpassed scala, brief mention of the kotlin-website at 24:20 and the last one is just a slide "Kotlin Playbook" that he doesn't talk about at 35:14, so 99.9% is about scala
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oshai
07/10/2018, 10:40 PMProbably you're right, it was what I recalled from the talk. Still interesting for that feed in my opinion
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aandreyev
07/11/2018, 10:36 AMPicture worth 1000 words was 33:52 - 34:25
Conclusion was: Scala sucks as OOP language, so let Kotlin be a better Java and focus and improve Scala FP part (or even screw Scala, go Haskell)
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cedric
07/11/2018, 8:25 PMYeah John ruffled quite a few feathers, Adriaan for sure and probably Martin although he probably knows better than arguing back now
cedric
07/11/2018, 8:26 PMbut it’s pretty damning that the main goal of Scala is to blend FP and OOP and John is basically saying nobody wants that
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marcinmoskala
07/12/2018, 10:58 AMHe basically suggested that Scala should get out of the Kotlin way ("If you want a better Java, choose Kotlin") and move towards Functional Programming (sacrifice OOP part of their community)
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