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orangy
07/10/2018, 8:40 PM
Does it have anything to do with Kotlin?
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oshai
07/10/2018, 8:40 PMYes, lots of comparison between scala and kotlin
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orangy
07/10/2018, 8:41 PM
Okay, I can’t watch it now, but I will.
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oshai
07/10/2018, 8:42 PMSee min 6:15
I was in the conference talking about scala vs kotlin, but this keynote did all the work much better than I did...
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Andreas Sinz
07/10/2018, 9:58 PMActually, kotlin wasn't mentioned that much, just about less than a minute in total. kotlin mentioned at 6:15 that it surpassed scala, brief mention of the kotlin-website at 24:20 and the last one is just a slide "Kotlin Playbook" that he doesn't talk about at 35:14, so 99.9% is about scala
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oshai
07/10/2018, 10:40 PMProbably you're right, it was what I recalled from the talk. Still interesting for that feed in my opinion
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aandreyev
07/11/2018, 10:36 AMPicture worth 1000 words was 33:52 - 34:25
Conclusion was: Scala sucks as OOP language, so let Kotlin be a better Java and focus and improve Scala FP part (or even screw Scala, go Haskell)
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cedric
07/11/2018, 8:25 PMYeah John ruffled quite a few feathers, Adriaan for sure and probably Martin although he probably knows better than arguing back now
but it’s pretty damning that the main goal of Scala is to blend FP and OOP and John is basically saying nobody wants that
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marcinmoskala
07/12/2018, 10:58 AMHe basically suggested that Scala should get out of the Kotlin way ("If you want a better Java, choose Kotlin") and move towards Functional Programming (sacrifice OOP part of their community)
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