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thomasnield
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irus
05/19/2017, 7:07 AMDon't get their point at all/.Scala was here a lot of time, but author still think that scala has "Great potential".
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dh44t
05/19/2017, 7:19 AMit looks like they're in a negation phase
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herder
05/19/2017, 7:41 AMwhereas Kotlin fixes the immediate problem of Java being verboset
thomasnield
05/19/2017, 10:58 AMWhat Scala primarily has going for it is Apache Spark. If that wasn't around I'm not sure Scala would be either. Sidenote: you can use Kotlin with Spark
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nfrankel
05/19/2017, 10:58 AMThat’s what happens when you create your build tool for your language because “you know better”
nfrankel
05/19/2017, 10:59 AMScala suffers from a lack of tooling. Most people think about the language...
https://blog.frankel.ch/forget-the-language-the-important-is-the-tooling/
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dh44t
05/19/2017, 11:01 AMThey have good libraries, Akka is really cool
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thomasnield
05/19/2017, 11:02 AM@dh44t thats true. A lot of good ideas emerged from Scala, but also stuff that was a bit rich.
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matej
05/19/2017, 11:06 AMBeing an official development language for Android has been a tremendous force multiplier for Java over the last 5+ years. Not that Java wouldn't be omnipresent without Android, but for younger and/or less prominent languages like Kotlin (and similarly, but probably a bit less so for Scala) that kind of megaphone makes a difference between being one of the top 3-5 languages in the world, and being somewhere at the 30+ position, where Scala is right now according to TIOBE (I know I know, that's far from an end-all be-all in terms of language value, case in point VB .NET).
matej
05/19/2017, 11:08 AMSo I can understand the hint of sadness from the Scala side, but it wasn't unexpected as the course of development of that language and the surrounding tooling meshed very poorly with Android for the longest time. Not a big surprise there.
matej
05/19/2017, 11:14 AMWill be interesting to see how far up Kotlin jumps ahead of its current 50+ position next month.
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orangy
05/19/2017, 11:33 AM
May be not next month, because it needs a lot of blogs, articles, and materials around the web. For example, if you search “kotlin programming language” you get 340K results, and it was about 150K few weeks ago. Swift for example has 2.7M. Java like 10M. Long road ahead 🙂
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matej
05/19/2017, 11:35 AMLong road indeed, but you've started the engine and there's plenty of gas in the tank 🙂
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nfrankel
05/19/2017, 2:52 PMi had the coursera lesson on scala years ago
it changed the way i code java
so i appreciate what scala brought to the table
but the language is too rich (as @thomasnield wrote)
it was designed by very smart people in lab coats
while kotlin was designed by pragramatic professionals from day one
having a keyword implicit is horrible for me
my whole work is to replace implicit with explicit!
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