What's going on with Bow? I noticed there hasn't ...
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julian
02/12/2022, 4:18 PMWhat's going on with Bow? I noticed there hasn't been a release in nearly two years. Is that an indication of weak interest in FP by developers who use Swift?
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Eamon Keane
02/12/2022, 5:45 PMmy impression is that while there are supportive noises and nice features (e.g. actors) from the swift language team around server-side swift, that there are no serious Apple efforts to support it.
Exploratory efforts by Google around data science, and IBM for enterprise back-end have been abandoned. As such, outside of a few enthusiastic people who like the language, there isn't much of a server-side community which will make it hard to find good packages.
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julian
02/12/2022, 6:16 PMAh, interesting. So you see the drive towards FP as typically originating from server-side developers, and client-side developers (like Android) are downstream beneficiaries, rather than initiators. That makes sense in the Java ecosystem, considering the influence of Scala. Maybe JavaScript is one exception to that pattern.
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Eamon Keane
02/13/2022, 12:20 PMbasically, yea. While I don't know too much about the iOS eco-system, my impression is that it's an architectural wasteland (many content with Massive View Controller), and with not that much of an open source focus.
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kierans777
02/14/2022, 2:25 AMFWIW I've struggled to bring FP concepts into mobile dev teams. iOS teams in my experience are a lot more resistant. Thankfully with Arrow I can adopt FP in JVM/Android projects. But, at least in the teams I've worked in, if something isn't blessed from Apple, not a lot of interest. I remember years ago having the "unit test" fight with iOS developers.
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