I see Kotlin as an alternative to Python, MATLAB, ...

# mathematics

[Percha]

I see Kotlin as an alternative to Python, MATLAB, R and other dynamic languages used in the research environments for now. For the iterative modeling/testing process I believe it can show it's more productive than the current alternatives, while at the same time being more performant (relying on native implementations for heavy operations the same way these languages are doing) and being easier to deploy to a real life application.
As for becoming an alternative to C/C++, it may be in some (if not many) cases that the performance loss is justified by the development gain, but a solution to the boxing problem is needed. Valhalla promises to solve this, but it will take a while (which is reasonable, the legacy problem is very complex). In the meantime if Kotlin native is optimised and supports template specialization and value types this could definitely be a C++ alternative, but there is a long way for that.
I propose to focus on the first use case, there's clearly a lot to improve in the existing ecosystem and we can start right away while we wait for the performance problems to get solved.

[altavir]

Just had a long discussion about boxing with JB representative. They want to work on that, but currently a bit underhanded at the moment. So we should keep digging possibilities.

[altavir]

As for Python. Julia is indeed better python replacement. The problem with kotlin is that it does not have the infrostructure for quick start and visualization for now. You can't use Python and even Julia for something complicated, but for simple tasks it is hard to do better.

[Percha]

The infrastructure on quickstart and visualization are the things I would like to start working on, I have already done some experimental libraries on it and I have some more work I'll be sharing soon

[altavir]

We have plan for charts. But it is moving slowly. As for notebook environment, I think it is better to invest in beakerx than creating something new.

[altavir]

It is working, just need to update the evaluator.

[hudsonb]

kubed, kravis, data2viz, I think the visualization problem will be resolved soon