thanks, its like the quest for the holy grail, I spent some time with Flutter and did like it over all, but many in the shop would dislike Dart although that's sort of not material, our product is a desktop app but to spin off some off the UIs has its benefit, I also have developed with JavaFX but I use Groovy to code it, I'll keep my eye on Compose and perhaps will revisit Flutter since its been about six months since I have interacted with it and perhaps it too has grown, thanks for the feedback