if I do like this, Surface will always recompose .but if I use thread or dispatch another thread Sur...

# compose

[Nana Vong]

if I do like this, Surface will always recompose .but if I use thread or dispatch another thread Surface will not recompose .Why ?

Surface {
    darkMode.value = !darkMode.value
}

this way not recompose:

Surface {
    thread {
        darkMode.value = !darkMode.value
    }
}

[Adam Powell]

You shouldn't do either one of these in real code 🙂 here's why it behaves this way:

[Adam Powell]

By reading darkMode.value in the right hand side of the expression in a composable function body in snippet 1, you've told compose that the correct answer for that code depends on darkMode.value as an input. You then immediately write darkMode.value.

[Adam Powell]

Compose always wants to recompose something if its inputs changed.

[Adam Powell]

Semantically speaking, you've told compose, "this statement is false" and asked it to ponder the philosophical implications of that declaration. 🙂

[Adam Powell]

Neither code snippet is idempotent; both introduce side effects of composition that produce different results depending on how many times the function recomposes.

[Adam Powell]

The second snippet launches a new thread as an uncontrolled side effect and performs the read and write there; compose has no indication that the read or write have something to do with the recompose scope that launched the thread.

[Nana Vong]

Surface {
    lifecycleScope.launch {
        delay(1000)
        darkMode.value = !darkMode.value
    }
}

if add delay function it will not recompose ,or will always recompose 😂 , always recompose I understand, but after suspend and not recompose I need take some time to understand☹️

[Adam Powell]

If lifecycleScope is coming from a LifecycleOwner then you've encountered the reason I dislike immediate coroutine dispatchers 🙂

[Adam Powell]

At some point lifecycleScope was changed to use Dispatchers.Main.immediate which will run that code to first suspension undispatched, which means compose will track the read.

[Adam Powell]

But once again we're talking about the mechanism, best practices would tell you to never coroutineScope.launch {} from a composable function body either, you should use the declarative LaunchedEffect instead.

[Adam Powell]

(I think we have a lint warning that will scold you for this code now)

[Dominaezzz]

Is the lint warning in android studio or the compiler plugin?

[Adam Powell]

Android lint, so neither, but studio will enable it by default in the ide

[gildor]

the reason I dislike immediate coroutine dispatchers

Same here, I was surprised when immediate dispatcher was used by default on lifecycleScope, it caused some bugs on our side after update and in general immediate dispatcher behaviour is much more tricky and doesn’t worth this optimization imo

[Nana Vong]

Do you know where to look at this part of the source code？ 🥺

[Adam Powell]

@gildor I don't agree with the use of an immediate dispatcher there either, but in its defense the reason it was done was for timing of avoiding a lifecycle state change before the dispatched continuation runs, not optimization. I'm glad that CoroutineStart.UNDISPATCHED graduated to stable recently since that almost always addresses whatever lifecycle+timing issue people tend to reach for an immediate dispatcher to solve, but without the unexpected reentrance pitfalls.

[Adam Powell]

@Nana Vong which part of what source code?

[Nana Vong]

@Adam Powell In thread and delay case , whether Composer has check call stack frame to choose recompose ?

[Adam Powell]

the recomposition process takes a mutable snapshot using the snapshot API and installs read and write callbacks for that snapshot. It enters that snapshot to perform recomposition, which causes those callbacks to be invoked on snapshot state access. https://cs.android.com/androidx/platform/frameworks/support/+/androidx-main:compose/[…]/androidx/compose/runtime/Recomposer.kt;l=788?q=Recomposer.kt

[Adam Powell]

The snapshot system knows the current snapshot by way of a form of ThreadLocal; it doesn't access the call stack frame, it accesses that special ThreadLocal to determine the current snapshot.

[Adam Powell]

The current call stack is only relevant in that the caller of recomposition installs and removes the recomposition snapshot (and its associated access callbacks) as the thread's current snapshot before and after calling recomposition.

[Adam Powell]

so if the snapshot state read isn't performed during that call to recompose itself, on that calling thread, it isn't recorded as an input value of the composition.

[Adam Powell]

And if it's not recorded as an input value of composition, changing it later will have no effect on that composition.

[Nana Vong]

Thank u very much, I think my understanding of Compose is getting better🤝