Is it possible to persist a snackbar across a device rotation? I assume that by using: ```val scop...

# compose

[Billy Newman]

Is it possible to persist a snackbar across a device rotation? I assume that by using:

val scope = rememberCoroutineScope()
val scaffoldState = rememberScaffoldState()

That is not going to happen as these are not “rememberSavable”

[Billy Newman]

I guess the first question is, should snackbars be preserved across device rotations?

[Adam Powell]

there are two answers here depending on whether you're doing a partial compose integration or a compose-first app

[Adam Powell]

if you're doing a compose-first app, autocomplete every known configuration change into the configChanges attribute of your activity tag in your manifest, because compose will react and update granularly for any of them anyway so you don't need activity recreation at all

[Adam Powell]

and then the problem goes away entirely

[Adam Powell]

if you're keeping activity recreation, you can hoist a SnackbarHostState into a ViewModel or similar and pass it to the snackbar presentation you use; the data will persist along with the SnackbarHostState

[Adam Powell]

of course this also implies that anything you're showSnackbar-ing about is similarly scoped to a CoroutineScope that will survive, or those calls will simply remove themselves from the snack queue when their scopes get cancelled

[Billy Newman]

Sorry for my ignorance, assuming “compose-first app” means every activity is presenting its UI with compose?

Currently I am migrating as I go. I have a couple activities that are built using compose.

[Adam Powell]

I suppose a better term would be a compose-first activity; you can make this decision per-activity in your app

[Adam Powell]

the key question is: are you relying on any Views in that activity picking up different resource values in a configuration change? If so, you're probably still relying on activity recreation to do that.

[Adam Powell]

(or fragments, or whatever)

[Billy Newman]

Yeah I suppose a theme change from light to dark

[Billy Newman]

Just gathering from your answers that is seems snackbar persistence across configuration changes is not something that is very common…

Have not looked at sample application yet, shame on me for sure. But guessing those do not persists something like an “UNDO” snackbar/action across config changes.

[Billy Newman]

I get that this is entirely up to the app developer, but if this is not standard for android app development, then users will know not to expect this behavior

[Adam Powell]

I would persist it across config changes, personally. It's kind of frustrating for a user if they lose the ability to undo because they accidentally twisted their hand far enough to rotate the screen.

[Billy Newman]

HAHA, yeah that was my initial take during testing. Just surprised that remembering that state across a config change was not more “out of the box” with compose

[Adam Powell]

doing it silently/by default is a pretty dangerous thing for compose to do. The code you end up writing for things like this is so lambda-heavy that it's really easy to accidentally capture a reference to something that points back to an activity instance somewhere, which then becomes stale.

[Adam Powell]

We briefly explored making anything you remember persist ViewModel-style by default; that ended quickly when we worked through the implications. 🙂

[Billy Newman]

HAHA, yes ok I get that

[Adam Powell]

sometimes that little speed bump sets the right expectations

[Billy Newman]

For me, since my entire presentation is built with compose for my activity, I think this is the right answer. https://kotlinlang.slack.com/archives/CJLTWPH7S/p1622217146183800?thread_ts=1622216960.183000&cid=CJLTWPH7S

[Adam Powell]

it'll make your life a lot simpler 🙂

[Adam Powell]

we didn't think it was really worth introducing a new concept in compose for this when AAC ViewModel already exists for mixed activities and plain remember {} just works for compose-first activities

[Billy Newman]

That is something very subtle I didn’t realize and very important. “because compose will react and update granularly for any of them anyway so you don’t need activity recreation at all”. Handling your own configuration changes before compose was icky at best. But if compose is going to handle those this is a nice trick.

[Billy Newman]

Adam, thanks a ton for spending some time on this with me, truly appreciated!