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I know in the past the answer to this was "no", but in the latest updates of Kotlin Native, is it possible to create iOS applications on Linux rather than a Mac?

once Apple enables the Xcode build tools to run on Linux, that may become possible

I hope this limitation will be lifted a little - creating  `.klib`'s should be possible on all combinations of host and target.
But creating final applications - impossible.

can you currently cross-compile C for macOS on a linux host?

To object files - why not? Clang supports cross-compilation. Only linker and related tools missed.

i wasn't aware the compiler would be capable of generating machine code for Apple platforms

And AFAIK since Kotlin 1.4 `.klib` contain Kotlin IR, not LLVM IR. So maybe even Clang not needed now.

of course the klib itself is only useful within a Kotlin project

According to JB, last I checked, Linux-&gt;Apple cross-compilation isn't possible due to legal reasons. It's entirely possible that there aren't any technical constraints, and it's just Apple being headasses about their software platform as usual :stuck_out_tongue:

<https://thehardtimes.net/harddrive/apple-announces-twenty-dollar-bill-that-will-cost-fifty-dollars/?fbclid=IwAR04jImmsYed99CiwmDO22A9XnngKPwfL42FcheVDmmWKS-k4xy3GLFZqIs>

Yes, you should not have any (technical) issue generating object files. _But_ that’s only half the game. You would need the SDK and stuff, and — if your goal is to deploy — codesign tools. If you value your time, buying a Mac is probably cheaper

You could at least buy used to deny them the satisfaction :wink:

Personally, I've just decided to ignore Apple platforms for my own projects until Apple starts taking developers seriously, but I know that isn't an option for everyone

I've managed to get away with that so far, but unfortunately...

damn the man, and all that :stuck_out_tongue:

if `klib` solves half the problem by letting you develop and delay linking/codesigning, you could get away with renting a mac on some cloud offer such as macstadium, macincloud, etc.. that way you don’t even give money directly to Apple

edit: I, in no way, intended to bash/rant against any Apple employees/developers. The last phrase on my comment was purely humorous  (tentatively..).

Welcome, <@UUCMHFLD6>!

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&gt; I, in no way, intended to bash/rant against any Apple employees/developers
I don't intent to bash Apple developers or employees, but I will bash Apple's management for anti-consumer and anti-developer decisions that only serve to harm their own platform's compatibility and software base for the sake of more profits :eyes:

But if you want to develop for Apple platforms, or you use a Mac, that's totally cool! I just have my reasons to avoid it.