I know in the past the answer to this was "no", but in the latest updates of Kotlin Native, is it po...

# kotlin-native

[rocketraman]

I know in the past the answer to this was "no", but in the latest updates of Kotlin Native, is it possible to create iOS applications on Linux rather than a Mac?

[Kris Wong]

once Apple enables the Xcode build tools to run on Linux, that may become possible

[Kris Wong]

i.e., never

[rocketraman]

Lol, yeah, as I expected... thx

[msink]

I hope this limitation will be lifted a little - creating `.klib`'s should be possible on all combinations of host and target.
But creating final applications - impossible.

[Kris Wong]

can you currently cross-compile C for macOS on a linux host?

[msink]

To object files - why not? Clang supports cross-compilation. Only linker and related tools missed.

[Kris Wong]

i wasn't aware the compiler would be capable of generating machine code for Apple platforms

[msink]

And AFAIK since Kotlin 1.4 .klib contain Kotlin IR, not LLVM IR. So maybe even Clang not needed now.

[Kris Wong]

gotcha

[Kris Wong]

of course the klib itself is only useful within a Kotlin project

[serebit]

According to JB, last I checked, Linux->Apple cross-compilation isn't possible due to legal reasons. It's entirely possible that there aren't any technical constraints, and it's just Apple being headasses about their software platform as usual 😛

[Kris Wong]

https://thehardtimes.net/harddrive/apple-announces-twenty-dollar-bill-that-will-cost-fifty-dollars/?fbclid=IwAR04jImmsYed99CiwmDO22A9XnngKPwfL42FcheVDmmWKS-k4xy3GLFZqIs

[Alexander von Below]

Yes, you should not have any (technical) issue generating object files. But that’s only half the game. You would need the SDK and stuff, and — if your goal is to deploy — codesign tools. If you value your time, buying a Mac is probably cheaper

[serebit]

You could at least buy used to deny them the satisfaction 😉

[serebit]

Personally, I've just decided to ignore Apple platforms for my own projects until Apple starts taking developers seriously, but I know that isn't an option for everyone

[rocketraman]

I've managed to get away with that so far, but unfortunately...

[Kris Wong]

damn the man, and all that 😛

[João Gonçalves]

if klib solves half the problem by letting you develop and delay linking/codesigning, you could get away with renting a mac on some cloud offer such as macstadium, macincloud, etc.. that way you don’t even give money directly to Apple

edit: I, in no way, intended to bash/rant against any Apple employees/developers. The last phrase on my comment was purely humorous (tentatively..).

[Alexander von Below]

What a warm welcome for me 🤪

[louiscad]

Welcome, @Alexander von Below!

Sent from my Mac.

[serebit]

I, in no way, intended to bash/rant against any Apple employees/developers

I don't intent to bash Apple developers or employees, but I will bash Apple's management for anti-consumer and anti-developer decisions that only serve to harm their own platform's compatibility and software base for the sake of more profits 👀

[serebit]

But if you want to develop for Apple platforms, or you use a Mac, that's totally cool! I just have my reasons to avoid it.